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51 reasons why I HATE ameriKKKa"
America, the land of freedom. The land of freedom loving people. The land of democracy. The land which freed the world of nazism and liberated the Iraqi's and Afghans of these freedom hating evil doing terrorists and dictators. Who knows the American dream might happen to you once and you'll be as rich as Will Smith or Michael Jackson.... AmeriKKKa, is a lie! It's the land where..
01. 20 Percent of all Black Americans will spend time in jail during their life. Although Black American's make up only 12.9 percent of American population, they account for 46 percent of inmate population which is at almost 2 million. Statistically, Black's in America have a better chance of going to jail than to college. http://www.chinese-embassy.org.uk/eng/45995.html
02. Whites are subject to receive half the prison sentence than that of Blacks, for the same crime allegedly committed. For death penalty the U.S. General Accounting Office in 1990 concluded that "those who murdered whites were more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks." 36 Percent of death row inmates are actually Black. It must also be noted that almost 1 out of 7 death row inmates is innocent. The count of frame-ups, sometimes political, or cases where a random Black man was taken for a killing are numerous. Examples of these are Mumia Abu-Jamal, Nanon Williams... http://nanonwilliams.deathrow.0-dec.com/writings/rba/ http://www.aclu.org/executionwatch.html http://www.prisonerlife.com/deathrow/deathrow17.cfm http://www.mumia.org/freedom.now/
03. While America makes less then 5 percent of global population it accounts for 25 percent of the inmate population. Incarceration is one of the best growing industries in America. Cheap products are bought by the U.S government from UNICOR(trade name for Federal Prisons Industries). In this symbioses the American government creates a steady flow of slave labor for the corporations. http://www.geocities.com/youth4sa/prisonlabor.html http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2002-03-05-promarriage.shtml http://iresist.com/cbg/Prisons.html
04. Half of the American inmate population serves time for drug offenses. Although Black's make up only 13 percent of America's drug users, 74 percent of Black inmate population is incarcerated for drug offences. US government is rushing to build more jails. http://www.geocities.com/changnoi2/drugs.htm
05. American 'law enforcement' may seize properties of alleged drug offenders. Let's say that IF a Black man were guilty with 5 grams of cannabis in his pocket his car and all his belongings at home can be seized and sold. Instead of law enforcement which has to prove he got it by illegal means, the situation is upside down where as the person has to prove he didn't got it by illegal means. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread12369.shtml
06. Although the drug traffic lines between Columbia and the US were not created by Bush senior, the American government played a crucial role in making it more lucrative and profitable. American government established good relations with the major drug cartels channeling the profits into the contra's war in Nicaragua and many others. Today most of the coca production belongs to the Cali cartel which has very strong ties with ultra-right paramilitaries/death squads and the American supported government who all fight the leftist FARC. http://www.larouchespeaks.net/pages/bush_dope_5.html http://www.americas.org/country/colombia/CIA_counternarcotics_networks.htm
07. In 'the war on drugs' in Colombia or actually the war on the leftist FARC guerrillas the US is spraying huge quantities of poisonous herbicides above the Colombian jungle. Actually it's centered in the regions with high guerrilla activity and coca cultivation. One of the used herbicides is a mycoherbicide called Fusarium EN-4 which claimed by the American developer only targets coca crops. The fact however is that it also targets other crops and the slightest mutation could mean an ecological disaster. Another herbicide used by the US was Roundup created by the American company Monsanto (developer of napalm or agent orange, rice destroying agent blue...). This caused nausea, rashes and stomach problems under the Colombian population who got sprayed. http://www.purefood.org/corp/biowar.cfm http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,338891,00.html http://gnn.tv/war_on_terrorism/doc816.html
08. "Look at anyone who is wealthy, and ask yourself, what in Afghanistan produces wealth, other than drugs and smuggling" Quote by an International drug control official. Although America targets the Taliban or what's left of it, it doesn't do a scratch to the Northern Alliance. Poppy cultivation are peaking in regions controlled by the Northern Alliance in pre, during and post Afghan-American war. In 2002 the cultivation even increased by 657 percent. Hamid Karzai, America's puppet president, has vowed to stamp out opium production, but the UN has already termed his campaign to ban poppy farming "largely a failure". One of the reasons is that Karzai's own government includes warlords heavily involved in the drug trafficking. http://www.iun.edu/~hisdcl/h232/afghan/drugs.htm http://members.shaw.ca/Illuminaticonspiracy4/adt.html
09. In white culture Black is loaded with negativity, don't think that needs an example. In the 30s since Black was loaded with negative stereotypes, many Black folks used products to bleach their skin and straighten their hair to hide their true nature of being Black. 20 Percent of the Afro-American ad revenue promoted these products. These ads were carefully worded to play on stereotypes and promoted a negative association with natural Blackness. Consequently many Black women and Black men have mutilated their bodies and have even died because they used these products, containing harsh chemicals. A good and recent example of this is mentally deranged Michael Jackson who changed his skin color to white, straightened his hair and narrowed his nose and lips. http://www.afro.com/history/bnw/bwmain.html http://it.stlawu.edu/~advertiz/afro/current.html http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/music/music_records/michael_jackson_in_general/_review/4 04326/
10. In the 20'ies and 30'ies of the 20th century, Blacks were not allowed in nightclubs like the New York Cotton club despite the American fourteenth amendment's equal protection clause. The club was segregated and only Whites were allowed in the audience. The waiters and entertainers however were all Black. The club's decor was modeled after the old South of plantations and slavery. Today Black's appearing on Western television and media are still mainly confined to doing sports and entertainment. http://www.redhotjazz.com/dukecco.html
11. Hollywood has a racist history. Everybody knows Halle Berry just won an oscar with another Black actor however she was the only Black woman who won one and her one and only Black predecessor got one more then 40 years ago. In the early years Black's only played stereotypical roles which were negative towards Black people. If there weren't any Black's available, filmmakers just used white actors painted in black(blackfaced) like in 'Birth of a Nation' where the Ku Klux Klan in the end of the movie comes to the rescue of a white woman being pursued by a black man, which is actually a painted white actor. http://www.laweekly.com/ink/98/36/film-hardy.php
12. While athlete Jesse Owens won 4 olympic gold medals in 1936 for AmeriKKKa in nazi-Germany and America so-called fought nazism during WW2, it wasn't until 1968 that racial segregation (apartheid) was made unconstitutional in all places of America. http://www.africana.com/Articles/tt_928.htm
13. Lynching's of Black people is a practice all to common in American history. Between 1889 and 1918 alone, a total of 2,522 Black Americans were lynched, 50 of them women. These people were hanged, tortured, castrated, burned alive, hacked to death... often for recreational reasons. The word 'picnic' has a sinister history. The last racist act that made front pages happened in Texas 1998 where Black man James Byrd Jr was chained behind a pickup truck and dragged over the street till dead and his mutilated body didn't resemble a human any more. http://www.maafa.org/ http://www.texasnaacp.org/jasper.htm http://blackhistorypages.com/Lynching/
14. Attorney general John Ashcroft has a taste for the racist right. A few years ago he out spoke his praises to the white supremacist magazine "Southern Partisan" which has strong sympathies for the Ku Klux Klan and glorifies the Confederacy for what it stood for. http://www.uncletaz.com/ashcroft/
15. It helped the racist white South-African government to stay in power. Beside a Black population that was performing slave labor under most inhuman conditions, many western companies had good relations with the apartheid government. Amongst these companies are: IBM, Ford, Exxon Mobil, Shell (where did I hear that name before), British Petroleum, General Motors, DaimlerChrysler, Credit Suisse, Fujitsu ICL, Total-Fina-Elf... http://allafrica.com/stories/200211130010.html
16. America together with the racist South African apartheid regime supported the cruel UNITA rebels in the Angolan civil war which lasted for 27 years. The war took the lives of more then half a million Angolans and displaced 12 million resulting in famines, poverty, disease... . The war was finally ended when the UNITA puppet leader was finally killed by the MPLA government on 22 February 2002. http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/angola/2002/0331peace.htm
17. At this moment America is supporting Rwanda and Uganda in the Congolese 'forgotten by the media' 'civil' war. They are seen as the greatest aggressors in the war which already costed more then 3.3 million lives. After Congolese allies Namibia, Zimbabwe and Angola were to leave Congo after a peace signing their position was to be taken by a mere 5.500 UN troops. The number should be increased however the United States are still preventing that from happening. The war continues. http://www.radiobridge.org/archive077.html http://www.marekinc.com/USPolicy110901.html
18. America is co-responsible for the killing in 1961 of Congo's first democratically elected prime minister Patrice Lumumba. After Lumumba gave his speech letting the world know he wouldn't be the leader of a slave government, American president Eisenhower ordered the killing of the Black prime minister. While Mobutu was being persuaded and paid by secret operatives, The Americans and Belgians performed counter-insurgency operations resulting in civil disorder and anarchy. The prime minister was finally murdered along with democracy. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/lum-j10_prn.shtml http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjust/200008/0045.html
19. In contrast to what America says they knew exactly what was happening in 1994 in Rwanda where 1.000.000 Black Rwandese men, women and children were slaughtered. United Nations General Dallaire begged the U.N. for more troops however during the entire 100 days of slaughter, not a single extra soldier or bullet arrived in Rwanda. The main reason why the U.N. Security Council failed to intervene in Rwanda was because Washington (both the republicans and democrats) opposed any such intervention! In an interview with ABC in 2000, George Bush replied on stopping the genocide in Rwanda: "We should not send our troops to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide outside our strategic interests... I would not send the United States troops into Rwanda." http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0312-07.htm http://www.rwandafund.org/sections/about/genocide.htm http://www.pwrdf.org/news/news-db.php?news=109
20. America wanted to free the Iraqi's by removing dictator Saddam from power? Hehe what a joke. America has a long history of bringing dictators to power who don't know the meaning of the words "human rights". Amongst these are: Saddam Hussein(Iraq), Joseph DøFríŸobutu (Congo), Sani Abacha (Nigeria), Augusto Pinochet (Chile), Anastasio Somoza (Nicaragua), Yoweri Museveni (Uganda), Paul Kagame (Ruanda), nearly all Middle Eastern leaders not mentioned in the "axis of evil", Islam Karimov (Uzbekistan)... to many to all name. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html http://www.socialistworker.org/2002-1/399/399_02_KarimovsRedCarpet.shtml
21. In 2002 a couple of coups had taken place in Venezuela and each time Washington rushed to give the fresh dictators recognition. Not surprising because it's the CIA who's behind all them. Since democratically elected president Hugo Chᶥz doesn't want to be the puppet leader of an oil rich country, he has to disappear from power according to America. The fresh dictators all soon had to leave because of the huge demonstrations of people of the lower-class in favor of president Hugo Chᶥz. At this present time America keeps destabilizing Venezuela by triggering strikes and protests carried out by the rich middle class and elite. http://www.icl-fi.org/ENGLISH/Ven787.htm
22. Although America demanded that disarmed Iraq would disarm itself from weapons of mass destruction, America is the only country who ever used nuclear bombs on cities. America has 9,150 missiles of mass destruction. Enough to wipe out every life form on planet earth. Next to these American nuclear missiles there are also: Russia 10,435; France 482, Israel 200 (manufactured in cooperation with the racist apartheid regime under approval of America)... http://archive.greenpeace.org/~comms/nukes/ctbt/read10.html http://www.angelfire.com/mac/egmatthews/worldinfo/wars/nuclearWeapons.html
23. When American prisoners of war (POW) were showed on television Rumsveld rushed to protest that the Geneva Convention was violated. During America's war in Afghanistan however the Taliban fighter John Walker Lindh was interviewed on television and shown naked. According to reports, the POW in Guantanamo have been shackled, shaved in violation of their religion, blindfolded, held in open-air cages exposed to the elements, subjected to intense interrogation that borders on torture (or brought to countries to be 'questioned'), all of which violate the international Geneva Convention. http://www.commondreams.org/news2002/0125-01.htm http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/pows-j23.shtml
24. America did many things to stop the cruel stories of their war (2003) in Iraqi from reaching the world. It went from harassment to plain killing. At least 6 journalists were murdered by America-UK while reporting about the ongoing war. Journalists located in southern Iraq were evicted from their camp and the place was declared as a dump. The next day the dump was set on fire by American soldiers. When an American tank shot a shell in an hotel room of the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad which was packed by the press 2 journalists, Taras Protsyuk and Jose Cuoso, were murdered. Tarek Ayoub was murdered while America bombed the Al-Jazeera television office. http://vigilant.tv/article/3042 http://www.cjfe.org/releases/2003/iraq-apr08.html http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/09/1049567713143.html
25. America prevents the creation of an International Criminal Court (ICC). It refuses to ratify the statute of the ICC which would make it possible that accusations of war crimes like genocide, torture, making use of human shields, human rights abuses... can be brought before an international court. The reason for refusal is simple: it's because America is responsible or co-responsible for all these crimes. If America had nothing to loose and was just as they claim they wouldn't oppose an International Criminal Court. http://www.eclipsereview.org/issue5/criminalcourt.htm
26. It has an army of 2,093,263 soldiers where 247,000 occupy more then 752 military bases in 130 countries worldwide to protect America's imperial interests. The recent buildups of troops in South America, Africa, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Asia are nearly all oil related. A handful of troop numbers at bases on this planet: Japan 27,000 troops; South Korea 37,000; Saudi Arabia 10,000; Qatar 8,000; Turkey 5,000; Afghanistan 9,000; Bahrain 5,000; Colombia 2,000; Djibouti 1,000; Oman 3,000; Peru 600; Ecuador 400... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1738.htm
27. Although Black's make up only 12.9 percent of American population, Black cannon fodder makes up 20 percent of the US military. In military sections mainly ground forces Black's are overrepresented while strongly underrepresented in other sections like the US Air Force(2%) or Navy pilots(2.5%) often due to racism. http://www.daveyd.com/polarticlesoldiersblack.html http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/freeearth/harass_brass.html
28. Just like the racist apartheid regime, the German national-socialist(nazi) regime got American help. Prior and during WW2 American companies supplied the nazi's with crucial machinery and vehicles. Amongst these US companies trading with the nazi's were Ford, IBM, General Motors, DuPont, Standard Oil of New Jersey, Davis Oil Co., the Chase National Bank. Even Prescott Bush (Bush's grand father) and Henry Ford (the car builder) who were notorious racists supported the nazi's in various ways. Henry Ford for example was a good friend of Hitler. His book -- The International Jew -- inspired Hitler's Mein Kampf and they even kept each other pictures at their offices. Ford was one of only four foreigners to receive Germany's highest civilian award. Hitler once said: "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration." http://members.tripod.com/~Chaplain1/ford.html http://www.edwinblack.com/reviews/the_nation.html http://www.stockmaven.com/patterson.htm http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bush-nazi-fortune-2-09-02.html
29. Although America like to say "we rescued Europe" it was communist Russia who actually did the major part. On February 2 1943 the nazi army was embarrassed and defeated in Stalingrad by the Soviets. From then on it went downwards with the nazi empire. The retreating nazi army was struck one blow after another by the Soviets. Let's also note that the nazi's of whom whites like to talk with pride practiced cannibalism in Stalingrad, they even sold the flesh of fellow slain soldiers as meat. When America finally invaded the weakened nazi empire in France on 6 June 1944 they together with other allies making 2.8 million troops fought 1 million nazi-Germans. On the eastern front however 4 million Soviets were fighting 3 million nazi coalition from all over Europe. Racist and kapitalistic America just didn't want a communist Europe. http://www.plp.org/misc/memoirsww2vet.html http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html http://www2.una.edu/dburton/ww2holo.htm
30. "Britain reserves the right to bomb niggers" Quote from 1932 by the BBC tributed David Lloyd George, the former prime minister of America's 51st state Great Britain. His statement got a standing ovation by Winston Churchill. "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes (to) spread a lively terror..." Quote from 1919 by Winston Churchill. http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terrorism/doc750.html http://www.goacom.com/overseas-digest/Archives%203/History/what_they_said.html
31. Just a few days before the attacks of 11 September American representatives including Colin Powell simply walked away from the conference against racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance in Durban South Africa. Powell even had the nerve to attack Zimbabwe, a country that was correcting a colonial unjust situation by finally resettling hundreds of thousands Black landless people on just acquired white-owned land. http://www.mediareviewnet.com/America%20and%20Israel%20attacked%20again.htm
32. Bush said he doesn't accept the presidency of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe because he says it was "flawed". Offcourse he was paying the British a favor since he would need their support for the upcoming war at that time. To hear those words from an unchosen president who's brother Jeb Bush helped him steal the presidential election of 2000 makes this constitutional dictator not also stupid but also hypocrite. He won by disqualifying Black voters, intimidating, misleading and harassing them, spoiling ballots by making them unusable or already punching the cards in favor of Bush... http://www.iacenter.org/zimbabwe_sanctions.htm http://www.commondreams.org/views/121000-101.htm
33. America is greatest polluter of this planet and accounts for 25 percent of the global greenhouse gas emissions. America refuses to ratify the Kyoto Protocol which requires that industrialized countries reduce their greenhouse gas emissions by a mere 8 percent. These huge gas emissions are responsible for our climate getting out of control and a planet that is getting warmer each year resulting in more droughts, more hurricanes, more floods... . http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/pollution.html http://www.geocities.com/ladallmeier/meacher.html
34. Since the Bush administration got in power the military budgets were increased while other budgets like education, environmental protection, health care, employment and social services were decreased. For this year the American military budget got increased by 14 percent making a total staggering amount of $396 billion or in numbers $396,000,000,000. For 2007 the expected yearly military budget will be around $451,000,000,000. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/mili-f06.shtml http://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget/FY03/Commentary.htm http://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget/FY04/ProposedFY04Budget.pdf
35. There are many facets of what America lies about surrounding the event on 11 September. The American agencies had been fully warned several times by the foreign agencies of Germany, Egypt, Russia and Israel about the event that was going to happen. The German intelligence service BND told both US and Israeli intelligence agencies in June that Middle East terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." Several hijackers were also closely watched but nothing was ever undertaken. http://www.guerrillanews.com/newswire/211.html http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtml
36. The US Government or sections within it knew the attacks on 11 September would occur. It's even possible they were co-responsible for the event to happen. A few days before the event would occur, Pakistani ISI Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad paid a visit to America meeting many high US officials in the white house, the pentagon and National Security Council. It's this same ISI official who had very strong ties with the Taliban. He also transferred $100,000 to hijacker Mohamed Atta which was later disclosed in India and confirmed by the FBI. In the summer of 2001 just prior to the 11th September attacks the General and other ISI officials together with Crown Prince Abdullah(Saudi Arabia) also paid a visit to Afghanistan with Taliban leader Mullah Omar. http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/main/mahmoodahmed.html http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html
37 It was a US fighter jet which shot the UAL flight 93 plane in Pennsylvania that would fly into the white house. The passengers didn't heroically flew the plane into the ground as is being told in the media. Debris of clothing, books, papers and human remains were found 8 miles from the crash site suggesting that the plane must have been blown apart in the air. http://www.rense.com/general13/yusf.htm http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/main/flight93.html
38. In many wars where America was the key players, America had a foreknowledge of an event about to occur that would plunge the country into the war. Sometimes it was even provoked. The reason is public support for the war. The warmongering American elite are not always on the same line with their population. To make them warm for a war a critical event has to occur. A selection: War: WW2 against Japan;triggered by: Pearl harbor;how: foreknowledge of the upcoming attack without intervention;goal: Japan and US had intersecting goals in South-East Asia. War: Vietnam;triggered by: Tonkin Gulf incident;how: plain lie;goal: stop increasing Communist influence. War: Afghanistan;triggered by: 11 September attacks;how: foreknowledge of the upcoming attack without intervention;goal: oil, expand American military influence in central Asia... http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1488/pg1/ http://www.fair.org/media-beat/940727.html http://globalresearch.ca/articles/UNQ303A.html http://www.libarts.ucok.edu/english/asian/lectures/filipino/colonization.htm
39. The anthrax-letters which appeared after the 11 September attacks were created and posted by (extreme right) Americans. They were not mailed by Islamic terrorists or people linked to Saddam Hoessein in contrast to what Bush and his white supremacist warmongers want the world to believe. The anthrax strings came from an American laboratory, it was there where the anthrax was produced and it are people who have access to these places who mailed the anthrax. http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm http://rwor.org/a/v23/1140-1147/1145/anthrax%201145.htm
40. In the bombing case by an explosive filled truck in Oklahoma City where 168 people were killed only two white suspects got convicted which are Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. These two were sacrificed and all other accomplices like Strassmeir and Brescia and other members of extreme right racist militia's like Elohim City and Aryan Republican Army were left untouched. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23052 http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/Elohim.asp?xpicked=3&item=13
41. Since the creation of Israel/occupied Palestine America has been it's biggest supporter both financial and military way. Without America there wouldn't be a Israel/occupied Palestine. $5,525,800,000 in total or more then one-third of the U.S. aid budget goes to this country yearly which represents only 0.1% percent of the world's total population. This racist and repressive country is already industrialized and technologically sophisticated and has one of the world's highest per capita incomes. I'm talking about the Israeli jews here, not the Palestinians who live in a huge jail the size of their land which is decreasing in size day by day. http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm http://www.palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030205095343722
42. America keeps fueling the civil war in Colombia with a mineral soil of vast oil reserves, gas, emeralds, gold, copper, coal, iron and nickel. While the Colombian army has a deplorable human rights record the American government(both democrats and republicans) keep it funding. An estimated amount of $700 million for the year 2003. The Colombian army however is also well known to work together with ultra-right paramilitaries/death squads which are guilty of over 75% of the human rights violations. While the (ineffective) war on drugs in Colombia only targets the leftist guerrillas of the FARC Carlos Casta񯬠a paramilitary death squads leader trained in Israel/occupied Palestine, openly admitted that the vast majority of the paramilitaries funding comes from the drug trade. Casta񯧳 death squad has an average killing of thirteen civilians per day. http://www.zmag.org/crisescurevts/colombia/human_rights.htm http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc1585.html http://www.colombiareport.org/colombia142.htm
43. At the time when Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranians and Kurdish civilians no single complaint or remark was made by the United States. As a matter of fact relations between the 2 nations were so good that in 1983 Donald Rumsfeld paid a visit to Iraq even shaking Saddam Hoessein's hand. It happened not long after Iraq used tabun and mustard gas on the Iranians. The gassing in 1988 of 5000 Kurds with all sorts of chemical weapons happened with helicopters bought from America. Until 1991 America sold VX, mustard gas, sarin, tabun, cyanide... to Iraq and the materials to produce them. http://www.ithaca.edu/politics/gagnon/talks/us-iraq.htm http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/Rumsfeld/
44. U.S. weapons fuel conflicts worldwide increasing the bloodshed and undermining stability and democratic formation. In 1997 American corporations accounted for close to half of arms sold globally. In 1996 U.S. military equipment or training was delivered to 168 of the world?s 190 independent states, some with the worst human rights records. Between 1995 and 1996, of 42 ongoing conflicts, 39 involved U.S.-supplied weaponry. http://www.warresisters.org/nva0300-1.htm http://www.clw.org/atop/hrreport01/
45. "Thanks to Uncle Sam, the Macedonians are no match for us." Next to supporting Ugandese and Rwandese militia's the American government also actively supports many other rebel groups to destabilize countries or regions. In Macedonia(part of former Joegoslavia) US helicopters deliver all kinds of armament to the Albanese UCK militia's ranging from grenade launchers to night vision goggles. The quote came from a 22-year-old UCK platoon commander. http://www.antiwar.com/orig/taylor1.html
46. The American FBI under the then leadership of transvestite J. Edgar Hoover was directly or indirectly responsible for the murderings of Malik Shabazz(Malcolm X), Martin Luther King and the destruction of Black civil rights movements like the Black Panther Party. Method's used by the FBI ranged from discrediting, harassments, passing information to right-wing racist circles, jailings, frame-ups to the killing's of Black activists. http://www.imamjamil.net/articles/cointelpro.asp http://homepage.tinet.ie/~eirenua/2001/jun01/fenian.htm http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/hoover/6.html?sect=18 http://members.aol.com/matrixwerx/glbthistory/hoover.htm
47. One of the other reasons why America is economically so advanced is because of their world spying network Echelon. All information gathered by satellites circling around the globe is refined in the US by batteries of autonomous computers which can decode both binary and voice data into written reports. The spy-network also includes Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. This privacy violating system that reads telephone call's, fax's, e-mails, file transfers, web site browsing... can process up to 3 million electronic communications per minute. Make use of encrypted e-mails as much as possible to make it harder and to increase your privacy. http://www.unesco.org/webworld/observatory/in_focus/290302_echelon.html
48. Prior to the Lockerbie plane crash where a bomb was placed on board - which everybody knows of - the US blew up an Iranian civilian airplane. It happened 6 months earlier and all 290 civilians were killed. Instead of an apology America blamed Iran which had very little to prove since the CIA had stolen the black boxes. The victims swore revenge with the well known result. 4 Years and an embargo against Libya later, America in all quietness admitted that they were responsible. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/express0300.html
49. "Indians have nothing human except the shape... the gradual extension of our settlements will cause the savage as certainly as the wolf to retire..." George Washington. America has a bloody history of genocide. Next to the millions of Black's who died in the process of the slave trade and land stealing many millions of Indians also perished. After 400 years of famine, disease (sometimes biological warfare), slavery on their own soil, maiming, torture, and plain genocide a mere 50.000 Indians remained in the mid 19th century of a total of 2,5 million. Even Hitler claimed he got his inspiration for the "final solution" from the extermination of Native Americans in America. http://www.bluecorncomics.com/hitler2.htm http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/celgeno.html
50. The U.S. government experimented with syphilis on innocent and unsuspecting Black American males from 1932-1972. The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. The experiment was ended only when it made the newspapers. One of the involved people even said at the time: "somebody is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill." http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc754.html
51. In all these centuries there wasn't the tiniest trace of AIDS/HIV, yet the pandemic disease suddenly appeared in the late 70'ies. Whether you're in the America's, the Caribbean's or Africa, there is only one major victim of AIDS, Black's! The reason is not that Black's are more receptive to the disease. The reason is that it was a deliberate act of population control. More then 70 percent or 29.4 million of the world population with AIDS are Black Africans. AIDS was and is an ethnic weapon. It was predicted, requested, produced and released by the U.S. Government via smallpox vaccinations in Africa. http://www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/populationcontrolagenda2.htm http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol21/news/lederman-21-1.html http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm
There are plenty of other reasons but 51 already is a whole bunch. Others were and are: "#####-#####-nigga"-songs or hip-hop, Blacks in COPS (tv), subsidies for western farmers, objectiveness and US media, Iraq terrorist safe house or US racist safe house, ....
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Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1053
Registered: 07-2004
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Sailor,
The world is a big place. Maybe it's time for you to move. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1199
Registered: 01-2004
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Moonsigns: If "Amerikkka" represents the racism and/or fascism, as implied in the spelling, practiced by the U.S. why do you suggest that Sailor repatriate?
Are you suggesting that if one wants, or even deserves, to live in this country, they should accept or ignore the racist and fascist behavior of this country? |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1054
Registered: 07-2004
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Yukio,
I don't suggest that anyone "accept or ignore the racist and facist behavior of this country". Just remember, America is no exception when it comes to racist and facist behavior. If one thinks so, get the phuck out and write a memoir of how awful America is then.
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2152
Registered: 07-2005
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If anyone does the evicting, it will be Serenasailor--his people built this mutherphucker. (FOR FREE, BIOTCH!)
Btw, moonie, what's your lineage? You got any Indian in your family?
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1055
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 12:19 pm: |
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Tonya:
"Btw, moonie, what's your lineage?"
Moonsigns:
European--(I won't get specific)--3rd generation. My great-grandparents spoke no English, but made their children go to school AND succeed in school in order to be productive members of this society. They raised their families long, long before all the fancy gov "programs" for immigrants was around. Both of my great-grandmothers worked labor intense jobs and died very young. One of my great-grandfathers died from diseased lungs from working in coal mines. So while they didn't work for free, they still worked like phuckin' dogs to EARN the little they had--and also helped build this "mutherphucker". They worked jobs that you, as a modern-day, heel-wearin', nails manicured, American, big-mouthed, know-it-all, woman, know not one phuckin' thing about, "BIOTCH".
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2155
Registered: 07-2005
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MOOSIGNS:
European... 3rd generation.
TONYA:
Well, then, gitch-cho shit...
gitch-cho shit...
giiiiitch-cho shyyyyyyyt...
AND GET OUT!!!!!
--Angela Basset... "Waiting To Exhale."
I don't give a "phuck" whatcho dogbreathed family did!
You haven't been here long NOR have you been here strong, to talk no cash money shit--you rednecked peasant. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2156
Registered: 07-2005
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... Of course you "won't get specific"... cuz ya know ya wrong.... |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2157
Registered: 07-2005
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And don't make me do no research (cuz if I have to do some research, I'ma dig in your ass) but there were affirmative action programs for European immigrants three generations ago, and probably even beyond, you know, "long, long before all the fancy gov programs"--please--y'all whities lived off of "fancy gov programs!" We call it "po' White trash Affirmative Action," CRACKER!
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 876
Registered: 08-2005
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"Welfare" was given to white people long before it was given to blacks...only when it was given to whites, it was given to the FATHER. You know what happened when they started giving it to black people.
I can't say for sure, because truly I don't know, but Moonsigns family sounds like an Irish family.
BTW, Tonya, I can't speak for them all, but I've never MET a white person who will admit to having ANY colored blood. Many whites from Louisiana, MS, and Alabama look nearly ARAB, but if you even imply they may have cajun blood, you're asking for a serious fight. They're too proud to be white to be "tainted" by other blood. And then there's that "one drop" crap. To say they're "cajun" would mean their "native american". |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2158
Registered: 07-2005
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Yeah, Reneta. I was thinking them pale skinned alcoholic Irish too. And if she is Irish, she know she need to shut the fuck up. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1056
Registered: 07-2004
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No, Renata, no Irish blood here--not even one drop. And my extended family has NEVER taken one bit of public assistance, past or present. Hard work has gotten my family where they are now. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1057
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 04:38 pm: |
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Tonya,
I don't need to get specific about my backround because I don't have to. You're a noboby. And I don't have to "get out". My great-grandparents left their countries to make a better life in America--and they EARNED it. They found the even balance of respecting their heritage while living in a new land. With all it's problems--America is the best place to live in the world. I'm a productive member of society as is the rest of my family. And we are raising our children to do the same. So, it's more than obvious that I don't need to get out nor do I want to get out. We have problems but so do the rest of the world.
Go preach your shyt in China, Africa, or Iran--if you dare.
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Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 01-2004
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Moonsigns:
It seems that you are creating a litmus test of patriotism, a ceiling for acceptable behavior and beliefs.
The choices you give, oh colonial, is revealing: Either believe that the U.S.—not America—is no exception when it comes to racist and facist behavior (this claim, of course, sanitizes U.S. racism, as compared with other countries, thereby creating a hierarchy of racism, with the U.S. at the bottom for some strange reason; and ,more importantly, silences and disqualifies the legitimacy of victims of U.S. racism and fascism) or get out . . . interesting!
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2160
Registered: 07-2005
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You have not "EARNED" the right to be here, certainly not more than Serenasailor, myself, or anyone else on this board. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! When you can say that your great-grandparents were the grandchildren of American slaves--not "labor intense" workers, SLAVES, bitch--when you can do that, then come back and tell Serenasailor that you've EARNED the right to tell him, "The world is a big place. Maybe it's time for you to move."
You just got off the boat three generations ago, caller.
So either earn the kind of rights that I've earned..
shut the fuck up..
or:
gitch-cho shit...
gitch-cho shit...
giiiiitch-cho shyyyyyyyt...
AND GET OUT!!!!!
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1058
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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Tonya:
"You just got off the boat three generations ago, caller."
Moonsigns:
Yep. And all my people (extended family) are productive members of American society--and they/we "earned" every bit of what they/we have. And--just like you--I'm an AMERICAN BORN citizen. I don't want to live anywhere else and don't plan to--and don't have to!
Tonya:
"So either earn the kind of rights that I've earned."
Moonsigns:
Tonya, please. You're all of what, thirty?! You, a modern-day, American woman walking around in heels and manicured nails is a far cry from a woman walking barefoot in cotton fields with bleeding hands/fingers. The rights you have now, which are most definitely God-given rights that EVERY human being DESERVES, were fought for (and earned) by your ancestors. And while colorism/racism is still an issue in America (and needs to be fought), it is no where near the level it was during times of slavery.
And like I said, go preach that bullshyt in China, Africa, or Iran--if you dare.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:46 pm: |
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Yukio,
I would never want to silence or disqualify those who suffer injustice--it's undemocratic--and unGodly. I believe in humanity working together to change the world for better. And it's unfortunate, those who are right on target in regards to seeking what is just are often misguided by their hate and anger. And my point is that there is no better place in the world than America to have the springboard to make postive, global changes for all human beings.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2161
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 09:09 pm: |
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Moonsigns:
I don't want to live anywhere else and don't plan to--and don't have to!
Tonya:
Long as you know who's boss, bitch!
And you WILL listen to me preach my shit... right here on this land.
Cuz it's my house!
Fuckin immigrant. |
Mzuri
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 311
Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 09:48 pm: |
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While all y'all is over here arguing, I'm still trying to figure out how long it took SS to compile all that data to support his 51 rants. It looks like it took a couple of days so he must really hate America. I haven't read them all but I definitely agree with SS on rant number 7 though - I'm tired of ppl spraying toxic chemicals on my reefer. Stop fuckin up my reefer - Damn it!!! I ain't tryin to die, I just want to get high!!! |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 880
Registered: 08-2005
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Hell, I ain't even got time to read it, but I trust that it's a good read. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1060
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:25 am: |
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Tonya:
"Long as you know who's boss, bitch!"
Moonsigns:
Oh yeah, Tonya, you're the boss. LMAO!
Tonya:
"And you WILL listen to me preach my shit....right here on this land."
Moonsigns:
As you will here me "preach", too. That's the beauty of America and democracy.
Tonya:
"Cuz it's my house."
Moonsigns:
LMAO!
Tonya:
"Fuckin immigrant."
Moonsigns:
Now that's a good one--especially since I'm an American born citizen. LMAO!
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Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1201
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 09:32 am: |
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Moonsigns:
Hmmm...if the shoe fits, wear it! |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 35
Registered: 03-2006
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Moonsigns, I enjoy reading these forums. From time to time, I go in the archives and read past subjects.
I read that you are a White women, married to a Black man, with biracial children.
You've been a steady member here for quite some time, and from all the information and history that has been posted here, you seemed to have learned the least. And fail to understand the Black experience. It's like you refuse to.
In a lot of your posts you act so naive, and oblivious. Is it an act? Because you're one of the oldest posters on this forum...I don't understand. This place has provided a lot of insight, and you're point of view is the same as your earlier posts from a few years back...naive, and out of touch.
I'm not trying to be rude--just trying to understand why you act that way. I wouldn't be asking this if you were fairly new. I'd understand your position on African Americans a bit more.
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 314
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 11:47 am: |
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Just trying to understand why you act that way
Answer: Because some ppl just don't get it. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1992
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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Mzuri:
I'm on the next thang smokin' down to Texas! Fire it up! |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1993
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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I love America because I am sure there is no other place in the whole Universe I can have my very own Cynique to wuv. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2163
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: 
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Brownbeauty, she knows. Oh, trust me, she knows. Don't let moonsigns fool you. She is a racist who is married to a black man simply to get her racist freak on. She bore two black children for that very reason. She feels that blacks are not "productive members of society." She thinks we're lazy uneducated "nobodies" who whine too much and, in today's world, contribute a lot less. And for that reason, she believes that we should be relegated to second class citizens… solely so that she, a bottom-of-the-race hussy who just stepped foot on dry land, can have someone to look down on.
She is ignorant... and she's racist…. But she is NOT naive. Moonsigns know better than you and I know about the accomplishments of black people. She knows that you gave birth to Jesus, Muhammad, and Gandhi. She knows that she gave birth to liars, war criminals, and thieves. She knows that I descended from the blood of royalty while she’s the peasant of a kingdom that’s on its way down. And like the devil who was only given a certain amount of time to prove Jehovah wrong, she know she’s no match for “HOVE”---therefore she’s scurrying to get her racist freak on…. She ain‘t naïve--she just know what time it is.
Don't let her fool you.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1064
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 01:53 pm: |
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Brownbeauty,
I don't think you're being rude at all. Like you, the beliefs I have are the result of my upbringing and life experience. And just because we may not see eye to eye on most situations (or all) does not mean that you are the teacher and I just "haven't learned" or am "naive and out of touch" to your ways/thoughts/ideals/perspective. The world is full of opposing view. I respect the fact that I'm not to infringe on others rights--and I expect the same in return.
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Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1204
Registered: 01-2004
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Moonsigns: It is strange, indeed, that you claim not to "infringe on others rights," though you have told folk to pack up and go if they don't hold the same views of the U.S. as you . . . quite strange, too seemingly hypocritical. Perhaps, you were being sly, perhaps . . . humourous . . . |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1066
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 02:38 pm: |
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Yukio,
Making a suggestion ("free speech") to someone that they should pack and leave is different than making them, by sheer, physical force, actually do it (which is infringement). |
Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1205
Registered: 01-2004
Rating:
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Moonsigns:
Ah ha . . . so, you are practicing your freedom of speech, while at the same time when others have done the same, that is practice the right of free speech, you have implied that they have infringed on your rights . . .
I think people would respect you more, though you may not care, if you would take black people seriously, and attempt to see how we see you and white people in general. Though there are many black communities and, clearly, black people are not monolithic, there is something to be said about how we, particularly African Americans, view white folks.
While you are an avid participant in these dialogues, it is rare, it seems to me, that you really attempted to validate, what one could call the general views that African Americans hold about white folk. Now, to validate is not to agree; instead, it affirms that such views have value and that it is reasonable.
You, on the other hand, will argue that there are many positions, while at the same time buttress your own. While this seems democratic, it quite problematic!
To claim that there are many arguments, though true, is to clothe yourself in historical obfuscation, and to, more importantly, deny the fact of our historical differences, and therefore different life chances. Your typical strategy of argumentation is to tailor your rhetoric in individualism and anecdotes that leads you to erroneously say things like, "So while they didn't work for free, they still worked like phuckin' dogs to EARN the little they had--and also helped build this 'mutherphucker'." Such a comparison is ahistorical at the least, and foolish at the worst.
Let us deconstruct this sentence to isolate this gambit you call an opinion.
Now, for starters, you place black folk in the dependent clause; as we know, dependent clauses can not stand by themselves and are dependent on and secondary to the independent clause. And of course, you and your ancestor are placed in the independent clause. The white folk, be they white immigrant or anglo, can stand on their own, as the sentence structure suggests as does the content. Content wise, no one can question the assiduity of immigrants, regardless of socalled race and color. We are in agreement, but when you use such a statement to imply that blacks’ and white immigrants’ experiences were remotely similar then you are mistaken; you are preaching the virtues of that ol’ U.S. shibboleth, known as the hard Protestant work ethic.
Lets return to my initial point. Again, you don’t seem to take black people seriously. To claim that your people worked hard, is to imply that ours did not. It also sweeps an entire history of free labor, as you mention via Tonya, but also Jim and Jane Crow under the rug. Furthermore, while many of these civil rights laws changed the experiences of African Americans, the power structure remained the same. Thus, to take black people seriously is to see not only slavery but also segregation and state negligence rather than lump everything into individual effort, especially when the majority of history books concerning the U.S. explain that as a group whites, both native born and immigrant, benefited from segregation and racism, and that they all received benefits from the government that Africans Americans had not way before affirmative actions was ever thought of. Your solipsism allows you to avoid this real history and present, so that you exchange with black folk but rarely engage them.
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Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1070
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 01:47 pm: |
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Yukio:
"so, you are practicing your freedom of speech, while at the same time others have done the same, that is practice the right of free speech, you have implied that they have infringed on your rights."
Moonsigns:
Again.
Making a suggestion to someone (free speech) is different than making them, by sheer physcial force, actually do it. I have no problem with free speech. It's the latter I have a problem with. In regards to Sailor's comments. To me, there is no issue about speaking out against the injustices in the world and, in this case, America. I disagree with a lot of things that America has done and continues to do. However, to me, there is a fine line between publicly presenting particular views to promote social change for the better of all humanity verses airing a voice of discontent with the only intention of creating discord. America is one of the few places in the world where we have the tools to create social change. And if someone doesn't use this to their advantage and only "hate" her, get out.
Yukio:
"Though there are many black communities and, clearly, black people are not monolithic, there is something to be said about how we, particularly African Americans, view white folks."
Moonsigns:
Though that is quite a generalization, there is truth in that--and on many occassions I have agreed with certain posters in regards to certain, general attitudes/ideas/beliefs that African Americans have regarding whites (in general). However, where we may not see eye to eye is, I firmly believe that there are always exceptions to the rule. I have found that in life, being open to that truth is more productive than generalizations that tend to be toxic and unfruitful.
Yukio:
"You on the other hand, will argue that there are many positions,...."
Moonsigns:
Because there are.
Yukio:
"while at the same time buttress your own."
Moonsigns:
We all do that, Yukio. I'm no exception.
Yukio:
"While this seems democratic, it quite problematic!"
Moonsigns:
It would only be problematic if my opinion physically harmed another human being or excluded them from peacefully practicing their own beliefs--which it does not.
Yukio:
"So while they didn't work for free, they still worked like phuckin' dogs to EARN the little they had--and also helped build this 'mutherphucker'." Such a comparison is ahistorical at the least, and foolish at the worst."
Moonsigns:
I wasn't trying, nor do I think it's rational, to compare slavery to that of the work that white immigrants did. What I was trying to convey was that, even though it wasn't slavery (at all--can't even be compared), immigrants did do work that a majority of modern-day, American people, educated and uneducated, black and white, male and female, would consider degrading and wouldn't even dare think of doing. They, too, though not exploited on the level that slaves were, did contribute to the building of this country.
Yukio:
"Thus, to take black people seriously is to see not only slavery but also segregation and state negligence rather than lump everything into individual effort."
Moonsigns:
You make a very valid point. And I totally take issue with state negligence, past and present, especially in regards to health care. And though I don't condone the practice of segregation and racism/colorism, I find the personal resolve among black men, women and children who lived during this era to be rather amazing and respectable. That is why I can't discredit or negate the importance of "individual effort". Because I strongly feel that "individual effort" has the potential to birth collective change--be it negative or positive.
Yukio:
"Your solipsism allows you to avoid this real history and present, so that you exchange with black folk but rarely engage them."
Moonsigns:
I can accept that. However, you must be willing to accept that "engaging" takes two. And there could possibly be occassions when the (general) way you "view"/"see" white people could be counterproductive to the goal you are trying to achieve--because not all white people think the same.
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2204
Registered: 07-2005
Rating:
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"immigrants did do work that a majority of modern-day, American people, educated and uneducated, black and white, male and female, would consider degrading and wouldn't even dare think of doing."---Moonsigns.
On the highways of Philadelphia... black men sell us our newspapers... and white men sell us our pretzels. They don't sell us oranges because... well... we don't grow many oranges up here.
So..
I think that's a statement you heard on the news and radio a few too many times.... And like most fat.. couch patotoed.. Rednecked-Americans...
you just like saying it. |
Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1207
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 07:24 pm: |
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Moonsigns:
“America is one of the few places in the world where we have the tools to create social change. And if someone doesn't use this to their advantage and only "hate" her, get out.”
The U.S.—not America—is indeed one of the few places where people have constitutional rights to make changes. Yet, it is also the place where such rights mask the institutional terror, be it physical, economic, and physical, of people because these rights, for the most part, pertain to individuals.
In addition, your position—get out—is the normal; while you voice it as an individual, when this opinion is multiplied—and it is—it is responsible for domestic U.S. terrorism against Muslims, and people who criticize the war.
“However, where we may not see eye to eye is, I firmly believe that there are always exceptions to the rule. I have found that in life, being open to that truth is more productive than generalizations that tend to be toxic and unfruitful.”
Exceptions—athletes and Oprah—are used to measure an entire group. The measure itself, of course, is racist. White people, however, are viewed and treated as individuals. This is both positive and negative. It is essential that a person can stand on their own, on their own merit. Yet, to do so makes the assumption that individualism is responsible for peoples’ life chances. The fact of the matter is, however, that whites benefited as a group not solely because they “did do work that a majority of modern-day, American people, educated and uneducated, black and white, male and female, would consider degrading and wouldn't even dare think of doing. They, too, though not exploited on the level that slaves were, did contribute to the building of this country.” This same argument is used by poor whites and white immigrants to make the claim that their hard work not their color and race afforded certain benefits!
“And though I don't condone the practice of segregation and racism/colorism, I find the personal resolve among black men, women and children who lived during this era to be rather amazing and respectable. That is why I can't discredit or negate the importance of "individual effort". Because I strongly feel that "individual effort" has the potential to birth collective change--be it negative or positive.”
Of course one should not negate “individual effort,” but to claim that it is the alpha and omega is incomplete. The problem is our actions are never enacted in isolation from other social, political, and economic processes. Slavery and Jim Crow was a system of inequality directed at a group comprised of individuals, but their individuality, for the most part, was lost because they were viewed as a race.
“I can accept that. However, you must be willing to accept that "engaging" takes two. And there could possibly be occassions when the (general) way you "view"/"see" white people could be counterproductive to the goal you are trying to achieve--because not all white people think the same.”
Black people, at least the unassimilated of us, know white people. Indeed, in order to thrive we have to engage white people in a way that they don’t have to do, so we are, whether you know it or not, always engaging you; But this website is, as I see it, the home of African Americans; And when you are in someone’s home to respect them is to get to know them: to eat their food, drink their water, etc…you, again as I see, enter, but you look at the food, the water, and you politely say no thank you and you pull out your bottled water and last night’s left-overs.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2215
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 12:41 am: |
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I think moonsigns is an ungrateful, cross dressing son of a bitch.
We gave her AND her roughneck family a place to stay, even gave them white privileges. She seems to have gotten too comfortable, though, thinking she can TELL people to get out, overstepping her bounds, talking all that Bill O’Reilly bullshit. Well, I don't care how much meds she's missed. I take issue with her rudeness. I find her self-deluded sense of entitlement entirely nauseating. I think she should get out. I think she should pack her bags with the Mexicans. See if she steps out of line over there. They won't take that shit, senorita! They'll leave your funk right there in the water, face down. They’ll make you stay in your place, mommy. I say, you better think twice… ‘fore we deport your dumb ass. |
Anunaki3600
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Username: Anunaki3600
Post Number: 154
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 04:47 am: |
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I too get tired of "whites" talking about their individual effort made them who they are today. Lots of BULL.
Example 1: When the first Irish immigrants came to Boston. Blacks had good jobs at the docks. The Irish rioted in Boston to make sure that Black people did not have any good jobs at the docks except work as "shoe shine boys".
Example 2: White crackers (those who worked in the jinneries) in the south made sure that no Blacks built a better house than whites. Every time a Black person built a "good" house they would come and burn it down.
Whites have always used their collective numbers to make sure that AA's did not succeed in the past when they first immigrated to the U.S. Now a days they will claim that their great grand parents came and worked hard to achieve what they have today, LOT of BULL. Learn History.
A good book I read during my under-grad days was titled "Dry Long So", I forgot the author. It's a collection of interviews of Black individuals. Something I call Oral History. Check it out and if someone remembers the authors name, please remind me. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1208
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 05:05 pm: |
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john langston gwaltney, drysolongso: a portrait of black America |
Anunaki3600
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Username: Anunaki3600
Post Number: 155
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 04:03 am: |
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Thanks Yukio. I want to buy it again for my libratry. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 333
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 12:22 am: |
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Tonya --
Do you know how you sound? |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1083
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 04:55 pm: |
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Tonya:
"thinking she can TELL people to get out, overstepping her bounds."
Moonsigns:
Free speech is not "overstepping" my "bounds". It's my right.
Tonya:
"I take issue with her rudeness."
Moonsigns:
As if you aren't rude. LMAO!
Tonya:
"fore we deport her dumb ass."
Moonsigns:
Ahhh. Yes. Deport an American citizen who lives in America right back to--you guessed it--America. That's classic!
And I'm the "dumb ass"?! yeah. right.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2226
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 09:28 pm: |
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*********Tonya -- Do you know how you sound?*********
No.. and I know your code talking, comblasian ass won't tell me... not even if you tried.... Ya too mixed up! |
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