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Tonya
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Post Number: 2125
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 07:38 am: | 
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where's Al Sharpton?
Where the hell is Jesse??
....A black man threatened to have a broom stick stuck up his ass would have Al, Jesse, Martin - if he were alive today, Spike, Puffy, RDMC's brother... it would have all of them on t.v. RIGHT NOW (!!).. if this were a black man!
The socalled black community would be pissing a collective bitch, had a black man been LYNCHED!!
....So where is the fucking outrage for this poor black woman!?!?! |
Tonya
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Where's Mr. "do the right thing" right now??? |
Zuriburi
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Tonya I was just thinking the same thing.
And, where are the black male students at Duke
University. Maybe they are just not being shown
in the crowds of protesters outside the frat house. I hope that that is the case. But I'm not holding my breath.
Black women stand alone once again. My heart goes out to her. |
Tonya
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No there wasn't any black male students in that crowd--I didn't see any. So why isn't Bill Cosby talking that cash bullshit right now?? |
Yvettep
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Nope. All is quiet on the "Black leadership" front on this one. Maybe folks will wake up...
From IHE (http://insidehighered.com/news/2006/03/29/duke):
Something ugly happened at party held by members of Duke University’s lacrosse team March 13. Whether a gang rape took place, as a woman has charged, isn’t clear. But even without that allegation, it would be a disturbing picture:
At a gathering in an off-campus home, some members of the highly ranked team were gathered — and drinking. Lacrosse is a sport largely played by white athletes — 46 of the Duke squad’s 47 members are white. Those at the party called an escort service to provide two “private dancers,” who arrived to put on a show for the students. One of the women was also a college student — at North Carolina Central University, a historically black institution also in Durham, Duke’s home.
This woman, a mother of two, was helping to finance her education by working for the service.
According to the woman, she thought she was going to a small gathering, and was shocked to find herself and her fellow dancer surrounded by more than 40 college men, who shouted racial slurs at them. She also says that three members of the team raped her in a bathroom at the house.
No charges have been filed and team members have told the university that no rape took place. But in the last week, as word of the charges has become public, Duke has faced daily protests on campus, anger in the local community, and shock from faculty members and fans. Last night, Duke announced that it was suspending the lacrosse season, pending the outcome of investigations into the party. A statement from President Richard H. Brodhead said that the suspension comes at the request of the team members and with the backing of Duke’s board. In his statement, he stressed both his concern about the seriousness of the charges and the importance of letting the legal process play out — at a time that facts about the party are in dispute.
“In this painful period of uncertainty, it is clear to me, as it was to the players, that it would be inappropriate to resume the normal schedule of play,” Brodhead said. “Sports have their time and place, but when an issue of this gravity is in question, it is not the time to be playing games.”
Experts on athletes, gender, race and violence were generally not shocked by the reports of the March 13 party. They said that all campuses with big-time athletics programs are vulnerable — and need to pay attention to what’s going on at Duke right now.
Earl Smith, a professor of sociology at Wake Forest University who has written and taught extensively about athletes, race and gender, said that whenever he talks about these subjects on a campus, he gets visits from women later — women who lower their voices and then say, “I need to tell you about something that happened to me” or “I need to tell you about something I saw last night.” And their stories usually involve athletes, alcohol and behavior that runs the gamut from rudeness to racism to rape.
He had such a visit Tuesday morning from a woman, he said. “This is always a small fire waiting to explode.”
The Duke lacrosse incident has all the elements: race, gender, class and athletics. To Smith, this situation is about the lack of respect that male athletes have for women, and about the sense of freedom they have to do things that disrespect women. Even leaving aside the issue of rape, he said, it’s infuriating that many college athletes accept the idea of hiring strippers as normal college behavior. For starters, he said, educators need to loudly say that the practice is degrading.
“When college students hire strippers, they are saying that these people aren’t valued,” Smith said. “When you stick a dollar bill up a woman’s crotch, you are doing something you wouldn’t do with a girlfriend or wife or sister. This is about saying that these people have no value.”
Michael A. Messner, author of Taking the Field: Women, Men and Sports, said that this incident reflects a culture prevalent on many teams that needs more attention. Even if elements of this culture are not surprising, people don’t like to think about it until there is an incident, he said.
“Groups of men bond together through sexually aggressive activities. Sometimes it’s just verbal boasting or joking. Sometimes it’s watching porno, or creating porno by hiring strippers, and sometimes it might go to sexual assault or rape, and the line from one to the other can get real fuzzy when alcohol is involved,” said Messner, chair of sociology at the University of Southern California.
Team culture needs to be monitored and in some cases changed, said Todd Crosset, who was an all-American swimmer as an undergraduate at the University of Texas at Austin, has been a coach and assistant athletics director at the college level, and currently studies the sociology of sports at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
“The first thing you have to ask is, ‘Why did these guys think it was OK to hire a stripper?’” he said. “Why is that OK? What are you telling the team about conduct?”
He also said that coaches and colleges need to get more comfortable talking with male athletes about masculinity because the failure to do so — especially when dealing with sports where aggressive, physical play is the norm — leaves players with potentially bad ways to express their feelings. “A group party is a demonstration of masculinity. That’s what’s going on there.”
Then there is the issue of race. The public image of college athletics is one of integration, and on many campuses, teams are well integrated — often with more cross-racial friendships than may be found elsewhere on campus. Indeed, many point to colleges’ success attracting black athletes and ask why colleges can’t be more successful at diversifying their student bodies as a whole.
But experts note that this incident has drawn attention to another, less integrated side of race and sports. The reason the racial make-up of the lacrosse team is known is that the woman who filed the rape complaint said that her attackers were white team members — so the authorities collecting DNA were able to exclude any non-white members of the team. That was 1 of 47. In campus discussions of the incident, and with Durham’s black community, that ratio has been the noted repeatedly, as has lacrosse’s association with wealth — and those facts certainly contrast with the diverse image colleges like to portray of athletics.
“A lot of American sports are pretty apartheid-like,” said Donna A. Lopiano, executive director of the Women’s Sports Foundation. But that’s an issue people don’t like to talk about, she said, and so they normally don’t (at least not in public ways).
The flip side of the fact that this party was organized by white athletes is that it counters the stereotype of the black athlete as the source of campus problems.
“What these allegations show is that bad behavior is bad behavior. There is no particular group or race that can be excused,” said Charlotte Westerhaus, vice president of diversity and inclusion at the National Collegiate Athletic Association. She also said that the NCAA did not like the idea that some sports are seen as “white” (or any other racial category). “We don’t accept that,” she said. “We think everyone should have opportunity in every sport.”
So what more can colleges do to prevent the kinds of situations that can escalate as the party did at Duke (and has happened at numerous other campuses before)?
Messner, of Southern California, urged more attention to educating the people who may be bystanders to an incident or potential incident. It’s too easy for athletes to zone out when they are getting a lecture about not sexually assaulting women by just saying to themselves that they wouldn’t do that. But in many incidents involving teams, he said, it’s clear that there is an audience or others in the vicinity. A few players hired strippers, while many others — some of whom never would have done so — didn’t say anything. If a rape took place, and in past incidents where rapes did take place elsewhere, team members would know what was going on.
“When these things happen, two or three guys do it, and a lot of other guys are there — doing nothing,” Messner said. So he urges colleges to focus more of their educational efforts not on lectures against violence against women, but on lectures about not ignoring violence against women. “In these group situations, the most effective interventions are other members of the group.”
Messner said that team loyalty can also work in favor of educators. In the Duke case, many of the students who have been calling for tougher action against the team have said that team members are protecting one another. Messner said that athletes do take the idea of protecting a friend’s back into judicial situations, but that instead, colleges need to promote the idea — prevalent on the field — that all team members are responsible for one another. So preventing an incident is a team obligation. “You can take values they think about on the field, and apply them,” he said.
Crosset of UMass said that the Duke incident pointed to an end run by some athletes around an important NCAA reform in the 1990s, when the association barred “athletic dormitories” in which teams lived together. Proponents of the reform said that the dorms separated athletes from the college experience and the student body — and may have given some athletes a sense that they were “above” other students.
The reform was a very important one, Crosset said. But noting that the Duke party took place at an off-campus house rented by the lacrosse team’s three captains, he said, “if athletes just do off campus what they once did in athletic dorms, is [the reform] working?”
At Duke, while students have been protesting, many faculty members feel dismayed, said Paul H. Haagen, a professor of law and head of Duke’s Academic Council. Haagen said that he believes Duke is doing all it can to help the police investigations — while not doing things that could result in students being denied due process. (Duke released an FAQ on the entire situation Tuesday night.)
But Haagen, whose academic specialty is sports law, said, “one of the realities here is that there is substantial public distrust of the ability of higher education to regulate its affairs related to athletes.”
Any list of colleges that manage to balance commitment to academic ideals while also having high athletic ambitions would include Duke, a basketball powerhouse. So the lacrosse incident — even without a rape — is terrible, Haagen said. And Duke officials have said that their actions Tuesday night and earlier in forfeiting two games were based only on knowledge that underage drinking and the hiring of dancers had taken place. “Without regard to what comes in the criminal case, we’re all disappointed,” Haagen said.
Some observers have suggested that this incident shows that colleges that have long played close attention to the athletes on their “showcase teams” — most often high visibility sports like basketball and football — need to extend that scrutiny more broadly. Haagen, who played lacrosse as an undergraduate at Haverford College, has mixed feelings about such an approach.
Basketball players, he said, “are on a shorter leash” than other students. But if closer monitoring is needed, he said, what does that say about the students?
“I get really uneasy when we have special rules for athletes,” he said. “We’re not monitoring the orchestra. If these kinds of things are part of the culture, if watching for this needs to be part of the way we are operating, then we have to think real seriously about why we are doing this.”
Particularly upsetting to Haagen and others at Duke is the impact this incident is having on the university’s image in Durham. Over the last decade, Duke has invested considerable time and money in helping its home town — financially, through service programs, and through generally changing an attitude that had once been quite ivory tower. Durham has a large minority population and many people in the city think of Duke as a wealthy institution compared to their own means.
“I suspect that whatever happens in this investigation, even if the DNA testing comes back negative, people are going to think there was a cover-up. This will become a reality,” Haagen said.
And that reality of course looks different at North Carolina Central than at Duke. Most of the public attention has been about Duke, but there are also issues raised by the fact that a college student felt she needed to support herself by working for an escort service.
Roland Gaines, vice chancellor for student affairs at North Carolina Central, said that officials there don’t know who the student is. Students and educators at the university are “upset and outraged” by what happened, but are trying to “be measured and calm” and that discussions are going on about how to respond.
He said that many students at the college are indeed “financially challenged” and that he regularly receives visits from students who can’t make ends meet and are desperate for some sort of help or another job. The student told The Raleigh News & Observer that she typically took three assignments a week from the service, and that while she did not like the work, it paid well and fit her schedule.
“It’s obviously a real concern that we have a student who feels she needs to go to an escort service for additional income,” Gaines said. “It never, ever crossed my mind that we would have students do that.”
While Duke and other colleges consider the larger ramifications of what has happened, Gaines said there was one thing he would like to do: If the student comes to see him, he said, he will help her find a different job.
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Mzuri
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 09:14 am: |
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I've read a couple news stories about episodes in NC in the past few days. I think it's awful about what happened to this young lady, and I'm not saying she deserved any of this - but we Black women need to be careful about where we go and what we do. Going to a party as an "escort" to dance for a bunch of drunken men - you're kind of putting yourself in a compromising position. Even as an escort, there's certain things that you just don't do. And in case you don't know - "escort" is the fancy term for prostitute, and if you read the above news story - "assignment" is a trick. And that's why there is no outrage. Jesse Jackson and all the rest are not going to come to the defense of a ho. It's not going to happen. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 09:33 am: |
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That's bullshit. I don't care if she wore a sign announcing she was a straight up skeezer and a cross dressing hooker, there's eviidence that she put up a stuggle (she lost four finger nails for goodness sakes), so it is just as wrong as it would have been if she were a middle class suburban Nun.
That's what makes this shit so godamn wrong. This involes class, race, gender, everything. And regardless of the fact that this is the most explosive, inhumane thing that has happened to a member of the black community since the murder of Emmit fucking Til (sp), in the name of racial bigotry, an act that mirrors the most brutal treatment of black women during slavery and it's after math is being rationalized the EXACT SAME WAY white men did it in those days: RACE CLASS GENDER!!!!!!
Fuck that! Jesse Jackson better get his rusty ass out there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, goddammit!!!
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Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 09:40 am: |
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This "ho" was someone's mother, daughter, friend. She was our sister. Too bad our attitudes about Black women have changed so little in such a long period of time.
Anyway, see this site, Justice 4 Two Sisters, that is keeping up on all the developments: http://justice4twosisters.blogspot.com/ |
Kola_boof
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This story absolutely paralyzes me.
I wish there was something I could do...or that if I said something...the press would cover/report it.
I feel so sick...as I'm reminded (to my soul) that anybody can do anything to a black child, a black girl, a black mother. Anything they want.
And I feel so sad that she had to take such a job.
I know how it is to take what you can get and have people smear and laugh at you.
We've all probably been in that position.
And just think---she's one of the few brave enough to report hers.
Most of us never report it.
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Kola_boof
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Oh...and Mzuri, ALL of the "black men" that Jesse and Al and the leaders have come to the defense of...have been HOs.
We start riots over male HOs every damned time we have a riot.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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I'm still not over the little "HO" that R. Kelly urinated on.
In case women on this board haven't realized it...."all" black women are considered HOs.
Just listen to the radio.
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Mzuri
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Don't get mad at me about it. Personally, I don't have an attitude about hos. Some of my best friends are hos. Heck, I'd try to be a ho if I thought I could get away with it. I'm just telling it like it is. Ain't nobody prominent going to defend a prostitute. They are not going to put their reputation on the line. Especially when she put her own self in harm's way.
Regardless of your profession, as a woman, you must protect yourself and stay out of dangerous situations. You don't stand on the street corner to pick up tricks, you don't get in a car with strangers, you don't go to dangerous locations, you don't consort with questionable characters - and all that other common sense shit that your momma told your a$$ when you were coming up. I'm telling you, none of the Black leaders are going to come to this lady's defense. They're just not.
Ms. Tonya, this is not the most explosive thing to happen to Black ppl since Emmit Till. You have obviously forgotten about the James Byrd, Jr. case in Jasper, Texas. There are others.
Ms. Kola - I get your point but no one thinks of men as hos. Women are hos, men are just men. A man could fuck a thousand women and he is praised for his sexual prowess. No one thinks anything of it - they just don't. |
Tonya
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If they let this shit go, I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD!!!! I will pray EVERY FUCKING NIGHT UNTIL THE DAY I DIE!!!! that they bring back the LYNCH MOB!!!
I WILL JOIN THE FUCKING KLAN, I SWEAR TO GOD! I will lynch niggaz EVERY FUCKING DAY AND NIGHT! I swear the fuck to god. |
Tonya
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Fuck James Byrd, Jr. How you like them apples, Ms. Mzuri???
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Mzuri
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Ms. Tonya - I think you have the right your your opinion. And what I stated really isn't even an opinion, it's facts. So you can hold your breath, stand on your head, circulate a petition, jump off a bridge, call the media, pray to Jehovah God or whatever else. It's not going to matter because NONE of our so called Black leaders are going to come to the defense of this. For the reasons that I stated. |
Kola_boof
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Tonya...the one and only thing that you can do about black men...is get a son and raise him.
We are paying for GENERATIONS--hell, CENTURIES of weak black mothers. Women who produced what the slavemaster needed or what her self-hate needed.
Even in situations like this, you can't get sistas to see. They just think Black men are naturally this way---while White men are naturally protective of their womenfolk, no matter who she is.
NO--white women raise their sons to be FOR them.
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Mzuri
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Duh - I haven't had my morning cup of coffee yet. Pls excuse my typos. |
Tonya
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Well, maybe I wouldn't actually lynch niggaz... (can't get my hair & nails done in jail)... but I'd pray every single night that the clan would. I swear the fuck to god. |
Chrishayden
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Apparently nobody here remembers what happened to Al when he tried to help out that black girl who claimed she was raped in upstate New York--Tawanna Brawley. I don't remember too much outrage on this board when the lynch mob gathered for him and that lawyer who got disbarred--
Ya'' are always crticizing these guys when they do something and then screaming like scalded cats when its something you get excited about. Maybe they are tired. Maybe they are scared. Are any of you willing to even take up funds to pay their way down there or offer up some bail money if they get busted.
No.
But we don't need that. Y'all can always step up to the plate. Nothing stopping any of you from dropping everything you are doing right now to run down there and get in the middle of this because some people get to screaming over the internet.
The silence is defeaning. |
Zuriburi
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Mzuri, do you think that had this been a white woman raped by black men the media focus would be different. Highlighted would not be the fact that she is a stripper but that she was working her way through college as best she could so that she could make a future for herself/children.
My bad the discussuon wouldn't even get that far. They focus would be prmarily on the uncontrollable sexual nature of black men.
My point is WHITE men would NEVER allow the OCCUPATION of a white woman who has accused three black men of raping her to the cloud issue of the absolutly vile and violent act of rape and physical assault that has been perpetrated.. |
Mzuri
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Would any of you go to a party with a bunch of white men where alcohol is being consumed and dance around naked? Let me know.
Zuriburi - What I think is not the issue here. And if you read my posts I'm sure you will understand my thinking. I find this incident disturbing. And again, I don't think that anyone deserves to be raped and beaten. I have been raped at knife point (which is something that happened over 25 years ago and something upon which I do not dwell) and so I know first hand how it feels to be violated. However, I strongly believe that WE (BLACK PPL, BLACK WOMEN, BLACK MEN, EVERYBODY) must take responsibility and exercise caution. I put myself into a bad situation because I trusted someone I thought was my friend.
Do I think there would be a different perspective by the media had this been a white girl raped by a bunch of Black men. Of course. But I'd bet my a$$ that if a white girl working for an "escort" service were asked to go to a party consisting of Black men, she probably would decline. There's shit that hos just don't do. Plus the guy that ran the escort service would never have sent a white girl over there anyway. Not in racist NC. So it's a moot point. |
Zuriburi
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Mzuri, I'm sorry that that happened to you and I don't question that you are not defending this womans rape. But, all I'm saying is that the only thing that should matter to black men when deciding to come to the defense one of 'their' women who has been violated and demeaned by members of a group who have historically and presently systematically oppressed/lynched/raped and marginalized them is that the event occured, period. Nothing else should matter and nothing else would matter if we were a healthy people.
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Yvettep
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Tonya, I can relate to your anger and frustration.
Mzuri, I respect your strong sense of survival for yourself and for others.
Chris, I just can't get with your assessment because I think the Black leadership's silence has little to do w/being "tired." (Just as I think Sharpton's support of Tawana had nothing to do with his belief in her.)
Zuriburi, Kola: Agree.
All: I was not going to post about this because the thought just made me too sad and angry. But I finally did (http://blog.lib.umn.edu/perry032/impossible/crossing_wirescross.html). I'm sure this doesn't qualify to some as "stepping up to the plate." But it's what I got right at this moment.
Take care, everybody.
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Mzuri
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I agree. But what should/ought to happen and what's really going to happen are two totally different things. Ppl, including our Black men, are going to consider their own reps before they come to the aid of anything anymore. Especially when they have their own political careers and agendas. No one wants to get their hands dirty.
The good news is that Duke has suspended the lacrosse team's season while the matter is being investigated. So at least the incident is not being condoned and swept under the rug. And I believe that charges will be filed and disciplinary action taken against the culprits.
Now, if we could organize ourselves like the Mexicans are doing right now today, gathering by the hundreds of thousands to protest changes in immigration laws - or even if we could just organize a letter writing/e-mail/phone call campaign - maybe we could effect a change. If Jesse Jackson's office were swamped with 100,000 phone calls, e-mails and letters - he'd get up off of his duff and get to NC in a hot minute. So all you Tavis Smiley and Tom Joyner ppl - call your best friends in the radio business so we can organize a protest. |
Tonya
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And one more thing, Ms. Mzuri, before I sign off for the day--(I'm way too livid, and there's no good reason for me to find myself in prison for making terroristic threats over the internet)--I don't think that these socalled leaders would be "putting their reputations on the line" by defending a "prostitute" who has somehow "put her own self in harm's way." Infact, if these 'leaders' decide to do nothing--then--their (already tarnished) reputations will take an even greater hit. But if they instead decide to mobilize themselves and the black community, it's more likely that they'd be doing what's left of their reputations a service--in the minds of many, their mobilization would be interpreted as the black community defending a black women from a savage assault which (A) came much too close to institutionalized rape (B) reminded too many of the way things were and (c) warned many of us (who understand that history does indeed repeat itself) that the way things were... could easily become the way things seem to be. Because of this, their actions would be supported by much of the black/non-white communities--many who are affected in lots of ways by such race, class, and gender disparities. Thus, it is far more likely that these "prominent 'leaders'" would be viewed as doing not only what they're supposed to do... but what should be expected of them by those who have no reason to have forgotten that, despite the fact that some of us are making "progress," many of us are still right in the thick of things, facing local/state santioned brutality, only now it's being sanctioned by the media, as if it were 1922.
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Mzuri
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Okay Ms. Tonya. But why are you pissed at me about it? I look at things the way they are, not how they should be, how I wish they were, what it would be like to live in a perfect world. I'd like for things to be different but they're not. I'm answering your question about why Jesse, Al, Spike and Puffy aren't going to align themselves with this cause.
Fact: ALL ppl are judgmental. And prostitutes are judged harshly regardless of whether they are putting themselves thru college, supporting their children or supporting a pimp and/or a drug habit.
If the victim had an exemplary reputation, volunteered as a candy striper (that's a hospital job), went to an afternoon garden party and was brutally gang raped - she'd probably receive much more support and you would have your mass outrage. That's not the case here.
Were you aware that she was a prostitute when you posted this, or am I telling you something new? And again, I don't think she deserved to be violated because she worked for an escort service.
Look at it this way. A high class call girl (prostitute) gets a call to go to see a gentleman in room 435 at the Marriot for $200.00 an hour. She gets to room 435 and sees the trick is a big-fat-disgusting-stinky-drunk-tub-of-lard dressed in S&M gear. She changes her mind about the transaction and attempts to leave but he forces her to stay and does whatever and gives her the $200.00. She calls the police. And what do the police think about it? The prosecutor? A jury? Do you think anyone is going to side with the call girl? |
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Yvette, much props for starting that blog. The comparison speaks volumes. |
Tonya
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Powerful, Yvette... it questions certian perceptions and offers little room for debate.
Mzuri, yes I knew she was a dancer before I started this thread. That happens to be the first thing the media reported and the one thing they ran all night. But still, no, that piece of info has absoluely no inpact on how I feel about this case.
How should the police, prosecutor, and jury in your example be viewed or punished or, if possible, prosecuted for letting this young woman's mode of supporting her kids.. pay for her education... DARKEN THEIR JUDGEMENTS?
Similarly to how we veiw/punish racist cops and judges and juries guilty of racial profiling - you know, issues that effect black men.
F.Y.I, I know a couple of dancers--not all of them are prostitutes.
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Tonya
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Transcripts of two calls to 911
Mar 28, 2006 : 11:08 pm ET
Durham police on Tuesday released the transcripts of two 911 calls from March 13, the night of the alleged rape at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.
The first call was from a woman who was walking by the house about an hour before the alleged assault:
Dispatcher: "Durham 911, where is your emergency?"
Caller: "Hi, I don't know if this is an emergency or not necessarily, but I'm in Durham and I was driving down near Duke's campus and it's me and my black girlfriend and the guy, there's like a white guy by the Duke wall and he just hollered out "nigger" to me and I'm just so angry, I didn't know who to call. I don't know if this is an emergency ... they're just hanging out by the wall."
Dispatcher: "Off of?"
Caller: "Buchanan, off of Buchanan [Blvd.]? it's right in front of 610 Buchanan [Blvd.] and they came ? I saw them all come out like a big frat house and me and my black girlfriend are walking by and they called us "niggers." So I don't know what's going to happen. I can't ... I'm not going to press the issue I guess, but I live in a neighborhood where they wrote KKK on the side of a white station wagon and that's near right where I'm at, you know what I mean? And they didn't harm me in any way, but I just felt so completely offended I can't even believe it. I thought, you know what I'm saying, times have changed ... and I don't even know what the hell is going on.
Dispatcher: OK.
Caller: It's right in front of 610 Buchanan. I saw them coming out of this frat house ... 610 North Buchanan, I'm sitting right out in front of it right now. So, I'm not going to press the issue, but I mean whatever, however Durham city feels about racial slurs and stuff ... however you guys want to handle it ... you can handle it however you do. I'm not hurt in any way.
Dispatcher: All right.
Caller: Thank you.
Dispatcher: You're welcome.
Caller: Bye.
After the alleged assault, the dancer fled to the Kroger on Hillsborough Road. A security guard called 911 after the woman wouldn't get out of a car:
Dispatcher: Durham 911, where is your emergency?
Caller: Yes, hello, I'm at Hillsborough Road at the Kroger store, I'm the security guard?
Dispatcher: And what's the phone number you're calling from?
Caller: 383-2249.
Dispatcher: And what's the problem?
Caller: Um, the problem is ... it's a lady in somebody else's car and she will not get out of their car. She's like, she's like intoxicated, drunk or something. She's, I mean, she won't get out of the car, period.
Dispatcher: What kind of car is she in?
Caller: It's a Honda Accord.
Dispatcher: What color?
Caller: Navy blue, but it looks black at night.
Dispatcher: Just a moment ... Now does she have any weapons or anything?
Caller: Does she have any what?
Dispatcher: Weapons or anything?
Caller: No, ma'am. She's barely talking.
Dispatcher: And she's really drunk? And she has no weapons or anything?
Caller: Yeah.
Dispatcher: And where is the owner of the car?
Caller: The owner of the car is standing right here now and she says she can explain what happened.
Dispatcher: OK, and what is her name?
Caller: What's your name?
Third Person: My name's Kim.
Caller: Kim.
Dispatcher: OK, and where is she? She's at the customer service station?
Caller: Uh huh ... you want to talk to her?
Dispatcher: Just let her know that we'll send someone out there to help her.
Caller: OK.
Dispatcher: All right
Caller: All right
Dispatcher: Bye-bye.
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Mzuri
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Well, Ms. Tonya, dancers and escorts are two different things. One can be found under the "ESCORTS" heading of the yellow pages. Escorts is a variant of prostitution which is illegal (unless you're in parts of Nevada). So she's a prostitute and she's a criminal. Same as my character in the scenario in room 435. My intended point was that the police, prosecutors and juries don't side with prostitutes and/or criminals. And the rest of society doesn't look upon them favorably either. So regardless of how you, or me or anyone feels about this victim receiving justice, equal treatment, wondering where the outrage is, when is Jesse and his posse gonna show up to save her reputation - it's not going to happen. And the reason is not that she is a poor defenseless Black woman, but because she is a PROSTITUTE.
I never have been able to figure out if prostitution is illegal, then why are all of these escort services permitted to advertise in the yellow pages? In every city of the United States of America. Anybody have the answer to that? |
Mzuri
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And Ms. Tonya, I haven't mentioned this but I think that you have such a good and pure heart. I think you are wonderful for wanting someone to defend this lady. |
Tonya
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Lets say that you've got your facts straight. I bet you any amount of money that neither you, a detective, a crime lab, nor prosecutor, not even if the prosecutor was the late great Johnny Cockran, and not even if you all teamed up together, would be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a savvy escort who knows what she's doing is/was a PROSTITUTE.
Mzuri:
I never have been able to figure out if prostitution is illegal, then why are all of these escort services permitted to advertise in the yellow pages? In every city of the United States of America. Anybody have the answer to that?
Tonya:
Because they can't PROVE that these women are having sex FOR THE MONEY while on these LEGAL arrangements. Maybe she found him to be foinne as shit and decided to fuck his brain out pro bono.
But lets say again that you've got your facts straight and this particular women is a prostitute. So What? Prostitutes can get raped. I'd bet you any amount of money that even I could prove THAT in a court of law.. faster than Barry Scheck (sp) could prove that an Escorts is nothing more than a prostitute who couldn't get raped. And I'd rob momma--ROB MY MOMMA!--to bet you a fortune that a money lawyer could/would find a way to sue the pants off the fucking state if the cops, a prosecutor and a sitting judge were caught red handed conspiring to deprive a woman of her persuit for justice under the premise that she was a prostitute who couldn't get raped?
How much you wanna bet!?! |
Tonya
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I think you also want someone to defend this lady, Mzuri. I totally understand the points you're making--they're clear. I just think many of them are flawed.
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Mzuri
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Of course prostitutes can get raped. We don't need to argue that point. But they are criminals, so they lack credibility. Let's do this. Let's search the net for some cases involving prostitutes who were raped and post them here. Okay. |
Mzuri
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http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/publications/sexual_violence.html
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Violence against prostitutes
Prostituted women have long been considered "fair game" for sexual harassment, rape, gang-rape, "kinky" sex, robbery, and beatings. Their homes have been destroyed, and they have been taunted, even killed, for "sport." A 1991 study by the Council for Prostitution Alternatives, in Portland, Oregon, documented that 78 percent of 55 prostituted women reported being raped an average of 16 times annually by their pimps and 33 times a year by johns. Twelve rape complaints were made in the criminal justice system and neither pimps nor johns were ever convicted. These prostitutes also reported being "horribly beaten" by their pimps an average of 58 times a year. The frequency of beatings by pimps ranged from once to daily, or 365 times per year; the frequency of beatings by johns ranged from I to 400 times a year. Legal action was pursued in 13 cases, resulting in 2 convictions for "aggravated assault." Fifty-three percent were the victims of sexual torture at the hands of both pimps and johns; nearly a third reported being mutilated as a result of this torture. Legal action was sought in 9 cases, and only once was a pimp convicted.
The 1990 Florida Supreme Court Gender Bias Report states that "prostitution is not a victimless crime.... Prostitute rape is rarely reported, investigated, prosecuted or taken seriously. Almost all young prostitutes have run away from sexual and physical abuse in their homes [and] are most often the victims of coercion." According to Susan Kay Hunter, Executive Director of the Council for Prostitution Alternatives, "[s]uicide is common among victim/survivors of prostitution. 75 percent of women victimized by escort prostitution have attempted suicide and prostituted women comprise 15 percent of all suicides reported by hospitals."
Recently, at least 17 women, mainly prostitutes, were killed by Joel Rifkin in New York; at least 48 women, mainly prostitutes, were killed by the Green River Killer in Washington State; at least 31 women, mainly prostitutes, were killed in Miami; 14 in Denver; -29 in Los Angeles; 43 in San Diego; 14 in Rochester; 17 in Alaska; 10 in Tampa. One authority, cited in the Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography, concluded that women and girls in prostitution suffer a mortality rate 40 times the national average. |
Kola_boof
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Mzuri, what is so heartbreaking about reading your posts is that your attitude is the reason that things stay the same---the cycle continues---nothing changes.
Slavery used to be "just the way things are", and the reason that went on for 400 years is because of the attitudes you've just expressed.
And I agree with Yvette. Al Sharpton (or any black man I've ever seen "outraged" over the rape of a black woman) didn't give a shit about Tawanna or the virtue of black women.
Black men have routinely raped, molested and offered up black women to be raped and molested---their only problem is when a white man does it.
The White man, after all--is supposedly the devil.
But I think all men are close to Satan, and I'm not sure the White man is a worse Satan than the Black man. After all, the Black man kills/killed his own mother--so he could get lighter.
Sometimes, when events like this WAKE us UP from our delusions---I think it would be better if our race just went on died.
I've been raped and spit on all my life by Black men. And I never told--because I focused on the "good" black men and I was trying to build our people back up. But it seems they hate us worse than ever. It's to the point where EVERYBODY knows.
The few good ones seldom make themselves heard and don't make up for the legions of bad ones.
In America, I feel ashamed to be black. Our people are nothing but "flossing", "disconnected", "imitating", "pale mixed up" trash. And it's the black man who isn't present. Our whole race is falling into the sea because of his inability to LEAD and to accept himself as a black man.
Black children have no example from him but abandonment, disrespect and the choosing of whiteness---and they see their father image praising/affirming anything but a woman who looks like us. What else can they do but self-destruct?
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Tonya
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Oooh, you must don't know me--I'm too lazy for that. But if you agree to bet me a huge sum of money, in that case I'd agree to look up NOT how many cases were brougt (since most victims, especially black, do not report these casses) but how many were won by the prosector vs. how many by the defense. I'd do it pronto because you are right--credibility is a factor (in all cases, btw, not just rape). Therefore, I'm banking I'd win this bet at once sinc most cases credible enough to be brought are more likely to be won. |
Mzuri
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Kola - What does my attitude have to do with society? Nobody gives a care about prostitutes. That's my fault? And the rest of your rant has to do with what exactly? |
Mzuri
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Ms. Tonya - Okay. Bet. |
Mzuri
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http://www.sexworkersproject.org/releases/PressRelease20050330.html
Indoor Sex Workers Are Isolated and Fear Violence
Urban Justice Center Interviews U.S.-Born and Immigrant Sex Workers About Police Contacts
According to the report, 46% of sex workers experienced violence in the course of their work, and 42% had been threatened or beaten for being a sex worker. Additionally, 14% reported violence at the hands of the police, and 16% encountered sexual situations with the police. Sara, a respondent in the report, describes a client "who came in and had a knife ... I was cornered and I was about to be attacked and raped ... I didn't go to the police because it would be coming out about what I've been doing." "Many people are unsympathetic to prostitutes," says Juhu Thukral, Director of the SWP, "however, this level of violence is unacceptable, even if they are engaging in unlawful activity."
Eight percent of the report's respondents were trafficked into the country for prostitution. The trafficked women told of being threatened, beaten, raped, and having their money withheld by the traffickers. The respondents were ethnically diverse and included women, transgender women, and men. Sex workers interviewed ranged in age from 19 to 54. Forty percent were born outside the U.S. and its territories.
The full report can be found at http://www.sexworkersproject.org/ or http://www.urbanjustice.org |
Mzuri
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http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Aug-27-Tue-2002/news/19499896.html
Tuesday, August 27, 2002
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE: Jurors clear suspect
Panel didn't hear about prior record
By GLENN PUIT
REVIEW-JOURNAL
A man with convictions of sexually attacking women dating back more than two decades was acquitted of sex charges Monday by a Clark County jury, which had no knowledge of the suspect's prolific prior record.
According to court records, Vincent Mark Santana has been accused of sexually assaulting at least 10 California women since 1977.
In February, authorities in Las Vegas charged Santana with raping a prostitute in a northwest Las Vegas parking lot.
On Monday, Santana was acquitted of the two counts of sexual assault and one count of kidnapping. Jurors said there just wasn't enough evidence to support a conviction.
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Mzuri
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http://www.law.harvard.edu/publications/evidenceiii/problems/69.htm
Prostitution, Rape, or Both?
D and V met at a bar, then went to a hotel room and engaged in sexual intercourse. V claims that she was raped. D claims that V is a prostitute and that he made a deal with her for $50, but that when it came time to pay he had only $20 with him. V became enraged and accused him of rape. D offers proof that V is a prostitute. Admissible?
Under the Doe case, above, D himself can testify to the transaction he had with V. But Rule 412 apparently would bar other efforts by D to prove that V is a prostitute. Of course, just because V is a prostitute does not mean that she is incapable of being raped. However, the fact of her being picked up in a bar and going to a hotel room, coupled with proof that she was a prostitute, would indicate that she had made a bargain to engage in sex, thereby consenting. This distinguishes this problem from the preceding one and makes the proof of her prior sexual behavior much more pertinent here.
In Commonwealth v. Joyce, 382 Mass. 222 (1981), the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court held that it was reversible error to exclude evidence under the Massachusetts rape-victim shield statute that the victim had twice previously been charged with prostitution. In Joyce, the court held that the evidence was admissible not to show that the victim was a prostitute and that it was more likely that she had consented to sex with the defendant, but rather to show that the victim's allegations against the defendant might have been motivated by her desire to avoid further prosecution against her. Professor Althouse points out:
While it is plausible that a prostitute might engage in extortion with a threat of false report, actually carrying out the threat seems quite farfetched. Further, given the discretion exercised by the police in deciding which rape claims to report and by the prosecutor in determining which cases to file, it seems wildly unlikely that arrest and prosecution would result.
See Althouse, Nw. U.L. Rev., supra.
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Tonya
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Okay. Slightly less than half end in a conviction, I was wrong:
"Less than half of those arrested for rape are convicted, 54% of all rape prosecutions end in either dismissal or acquittal."
Note: page has been updated in 2003 so info should still be relevant.
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Sexual Assault Statistics
M e n A g a i n s t S e x u a l A s s a u l t
Occurrence of Rape
Rape is a serious problem in the United States today. The United States has the highest rape rate among countries which report such statistics. It is 4 times higher than that of Germany, 13 times higher than that of England and 20 times higher than that of Japan.
Above is a chart showing the estimated rape rate per 100,000 people in the United States between 1960 and 1998. The rape rate in the US in 1998 was 34.4 per 100,000 persons. In 1997 there was a decrease of 7% in the overall crime rate, but the rate of rape and sexual assault did not decline at all. (National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997)
Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victims of sexual assault (National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997). A study among college women has shown that 1 out of every 5 college age women report being forced to have sexual intercourse. (1995 National College Health Risk Behavior Survey) 22% of all women say that they have been forced to do sexual things against their will, where only 3% of men admit to ever forcing themselves on a woman. (Laumann, 1994)
Reporting Statistics
Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992). In 1995 there were 97,460 rapes reported to law enforcement officials. At a 16% reporting rate, this means that there were actually closer to 649,733 rapes in the United States. Along the same lines, the number of rapes reported in New York state in 1996 was 20,911. At a 16% reporting rate, this means the actual number of rapes was closer to 139,406. (Computerized Criminal History, Feb. 1998)
The rate of false reports of rape is approximately 2 - 3% which is no different than that for other crimes. This is different than the 8% of reports which are unfounded. This means that in 8% of the rape cases reported the investigators or prosecutors deemed that the case was not prosecutable for any number of reasons. Only 2 - 3% of the reports however were fabricated stories.
Victim Characteristics
1 in 3 sexual assault victims are under the age of 12 (Snyder & Sickmund, 1999) and convicted rape and sexual assault offenders report that 2/3 of their victims were under the age of 18. Among victims age 18 - 29, two thirds had a prior relationship with the rapist. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Criminal Victimization, 1996)
18% of women who reported being raped before age 18 said they were also raped after age 18. (Violence Against Women Survey, 1998)
Perpetrator Characteristics
In 1997, 68.3% were perpetrated by someone who knew the victim. (Bureau of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997) 78% of women raped or physically assaulted since they turned 18 were assaulted by a current or former husband, live-in partner or date. 17% were victimized by an acquaintance, 9% by a relative other than a husband and only 14% were assaulted by a stranger. (National Violence Against Women Survey, 1998)
Assault Characteristics
Rape and sexual assault are not crimes that usually occur in dark alleys or in deserted areas at night. As a matter of fact 6 out of 10 sexual assaults occur in the home of the victim or the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. (Greenfeld, 1997) 43.4% of rapes and sexual assaults occur between the hours of 6PM and midnight Greenfeld, 1997) and about two thirds occur between the hours of 6 PM and 6 AM (Greenfeld, 1997).
Impact of Rape
Rape is a violent crime which has many severe effects on the victim both in the long term and in the short term. For example, 36% women who are injured during a rape require medical attention (National Violence Against Women Survey, Nov.1998). 25 - 45% of rape survivors suffer from non-genital trauma, 19 - 22% suffer from genital trauma, up to 40% obtain STDs and 1 - 5% become pregnant as a result of the rape. There are an estimated 32,000 rape related pregnancies in the United States annually. (Holmes, 1996) Sexual assault survivors' visits to their physicians increase by 18% the year of the assault, 56% the year after and 31% the second year after the assault. (Koss, 1993)
The consequences of rape are not always physical though, and are not always immediate. 80% of rape victims will suffer from chronic physical or psychological conditions over time. (Strategies for the Treatment and Prevention of Sexual Assault. 1995) Rape survivors are also 13 times more likely to attempt suicide than not crime victims and 6 times more likely than victims of other crimes. (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation, 1992) 26% of women with bulimia nervosa were raped at some point in their lives. The mental health costs of sexual assault victims are very high, studies have shown that 25 - 50% of rape and child sexual abuse victims receive some sort of mental health treatment as a result of the victimization. (Miller, 1996)
Overall, rape has the highest annual victim cost of any crime. The annual victim costs are $127 billion (excluding child sex abuse cases). This is followed by assault at $93 billion per year, murder (excluding arson and drunk driving) at $61 billion and child abuse at $56 billion per year. (Miller, 1996)
Conviction and Sentencing
Less than half of those arrested for rape are convicted, 54% of all rape prosecutions end in either dismissal or acquittal. The conviction rate for those arrested for murder is 69% and all other felons is 54%. (The Response to Rape: Detours on the Road to Equal Justice) 21% of convicted rapists are never sentenced to jail or prison time, and 24% receive time in local jail which means that they spend an average of less than 11 months behind bars. (The Response to Rape: Detours on the Road to Equal Justice)
Sources
1995 National College Health Risk Behavior Survey." Journal American College Health (Sept.1997)
Bureau of Justice Statistics, National Crime Victimization Survey, Criminal Victimization 1996, (November 1997)
Computerized Criminal History, Feb. 1998. NYS Division of Criminal Justice Services, OJSA/Bureau of Statistical Services.
Greenfeld, Lawrence. (1997). Sex Offenses and Offenders: An Analysis of Data on Rape and Sexual Assault. Washington, DC: US Dept of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Holmes, Melissa and Resnick, Heidi A. and Kirkpatrick, Dean G. and Best, Connie L. Rape-related Pregnancy: Estimates and Descriptive Characteristics from a National Sample of Women. 1996. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Vol. 175, 2, pp. 320-325.
Koss, Mary P., The Impact of Crime Victimization on Women's Medical Use. 1993. Journal of Women's Health, 2, 1, pp. 67-72.
Laumann, Edward, et al. "The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States." Chicago: University of Chicago Press: 1994.
Miller, Ted R., Cohen, Mark A. and Wierama, Brian. Victim Costs and Consequences: A New Look. 1996. U. S. Dept. of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, National Institute of Justice.
Natl. Institute of Justice & Centers for Disease Control, Research in Brief, Findings From the National Violence Against Women Survey. (Nov.1998)
Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992. National Victim Center and Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, University of South Carolina, Charleston.
"Sex Offenses and Offenders: An Analysis of Data on Rape and Sexual Assault," 1996. U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Washington, D.C.
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The Response to Rape: Detours on the Road to Equal Justice. 1993. U.S. Congress. Report prepared by the Majority Staff of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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Tonya
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As shown, that's for all rapes, not just the ones involving prostitution. |
Mzuri
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Ms. Tonya - Weren't we discussing the rape of prostitutes? I don't see anything about that in your post on Sexual Assault Statistics. Anyway, after searching the net for quite a while, I found very few cases involving prostitutes who were raped. One court case I saw was from the 1930s, the other from the 1950s. I didn't think they were relevent but they supported my claim that these types of cases aren't given much weight. There might be more and next time I'll search the deep web. |
Tonya
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You won't find official stats like that because they dont break it down in categories like prostitution. Also your 06:54 post supports my points more so than yours, I'm confused. |
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 07:07 am: |
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Though I consider it to be common sense not to pursue a career as this young woman did, I have great compassion for women in situations like this because I can't even wrap my mind around the desperation they must feel to pursue such a living. Now is not the time to push someone further into the ground. And it would be refreshing to witness men--men with INTEGRITY--support this woman and show her (by action--paying for counseling, providing money for an education, etc.) that there is good in the world and that not all men desire to exploit her so she may feed her children.
I hope this young woman can reconcile her past and heal from this trama, and I hope those filthy bastards receive proper justice for their vile attack against her vulnerability and womanhood!
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 873
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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All of this "is she a ho or not" crap is MOOT. She could have been the preacher's wife, the perfect mother, and the president of the local PTA, and it probably wouldn't have even made the news.
Of COURSE, they're not going to defend a whore....
BUT, WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU SEEN A BLACK NON-WHORE DEFENDED WHEN SHE'S ATTACKED?!
They're just acting like now they have a "REASON" to not defend her. EVERY OTHER TIME, they just ignore her and that's the end of it. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 307
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Well, Ms. Renata - You have a valid point. We got a little emotional yesterday. I was trying to offer a reason in response to Tonya's rant about "where the hell is Jesse," but you're right - he probably won't show up regardless. And welcome back - I hope all is well with your family. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 874
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 11:40 am: |
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It's better. Plus my mother's living with me now. She wants to hold and feed the baby all day, so I've even found a job that I'll start Monday, so you won't be seeing me as much as before. I'll probably only check in once every couple of days or so |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2149
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 01:35 pm: |
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Mzuri, as your 06:54 post points out, the rape-shield law makes it difficult for past sexual conducts on the part of the female to enter into rape cases, including prostitution. That's why you won't find official states on rape convictions involving prostitution--a woman's sexual history is supposedly hard to get into trail. And, though I didn't have the rape-shield law in mind when I was arguing my points, what your 06:54 posts demonstrates is that a woman can't be put on trail for prostitution during rape trails where she's the victim. Though in some cases it apparently can enter into evidence through loopholes; which there seem to be many, judging by the first case cited in your post. So in that sense you are right: due to the ambiguity associated with victims rights laws, a woman's past behavior regarding prostitution can have a major impact on proving consent.... So much for laws, huh?
Anyway, I'm glad I took your challange beacuse I found some of the information somewhat Staggering. For instance, though I understood rape to be an underreported crime, I had no idea it was this bad until now. And how many people are aware that laws like the rape-shield law are so vulnerable, I wonder. What an interesting question to pose. Along with the problems linked to underreporting, that's something we ought to consider focusing on.
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 308
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 01:39 pm: |
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Hi Ms. Tonya. I learned a lot about the subject myself yesterday and was surprised by the statistics as well. There is another thread here regarding prostitution on which I posted that it should be legalized, because it's supposedly the world's oldest profession and it's never going to end. I would rather the govt tax it, regulate it, oversee it and ensure that sex industry workers receive proper health care, health insurance and that if they ever wish to change professions - have ready access to educational opportunities and job training. And now I can add to that - receive equal protection under the law. Again, I personally have nothing against the profession or it's participants - I was stating how our society views these types of situations. It's a compelling subject. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 383
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 02:14 pm: |
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I a little late so I don't know very much about this story, but who were these women? Were they both black? Who supposedly raped this woman? Was the men that hired them black? Can someone help me out with this case? |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 309
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 04:15 pm: |
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SS - Here's one and to see more do an internet search for - Duke lacrosse rape
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/30/sportsline/main1454898.shtml |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4480
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 03:38 am: |
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This kind of thing occurs +1,000 times every weekend throughout the US. The ONLY reason this has garnered any special attention is it involves an alleged Black victim and White offenders who attend Duke University, one of the nation's most prestigous institutions of higher learning.
I truly hope the rapists are convicted and are justly sentenced.
And I'm not trying to blame the victim. But why didn't she get her a$$ outtah there the moment she saw she'd walked into a den of drunken young White men? |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 981
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 09:45 am: |
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And I'm not trying to blame the victim...
Then don't. It's as simple as that.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4481
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 08:02 pm: |
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Yvette,
Aight.
Still, most SANE and RATIONAL African American women would NOT have walked into a room of drunken White men.
But then, most SANE and RATIONAL African American women would abstain from stripping and whoring for a living. |
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