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     Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: |
I was watching the BET awards tonight and they flashed the camera on santanas wife...i didn;t know he was married to a black woman. If this were a celebrity black male married to a non-black woman then everyone would know about it. But someone as big as santana and no one hardly ever sees his wife or hears of her simply because she's black. this type of stuff irks me because. It seems there's a huge conspiracy to make the entire world believe that black women simply don't appeal to men of other races...not even men of thier own race. There is a styrong conspiracy to brainwash boys agaisnt finding black women attractive and of enough value to marry. There are several other interraical relationships with black women that don't get half the coverage that celebrity relationships with black men and non-black women get...most of them you don't even know they exist. I dind't know that the majority of them existed until i started reading messageboards about 3 years ago. White people are smart and know that men can be very superficial....if they see that other men are attracted to a certain type of woman then they tend to go after her. If you notice, 80% of NBA players have black wives but only the wives of the 20% who are married to non-black women get the spotlight. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1738 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
The fact that I was with Osama Bin Laden and the media tried to deny it.....and then later, once Prince Ruspoli confirmed it...they stopped attacking me, but just ignored it----is proof of what you're saying. And let me tell you.... ....when they thought "Naima Bint Harith" (my real name) was an Arab woman who looked like Cher, they were clamoring and clawing to track me down. Once they discovered I was black with nappy hair----and Half Egyptian--- it wasn't an image they wanted to present. Derrick Bell, by the way, makes a very profound analogy about it in my autobiography..saying that Black American women are only to be presented as "Mammy figure...Sapphire figure...Tragic Mulatto...Oversexed Whore". Derrick Bell says that I represent an African Goddess image that they don't want to transmit. | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
here are some pictures of santana's wife...her name is deborah santana. http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.searc h.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Ddeborah%2520santana%26sm%3DYahoo%21%2BSearch %26fr%3DFP-tab-web-t-334%26toggle%3D1%26cop%3D%26ei%3DUTF-8&w=594&h=438&imgurl=c ache.viewimages.com%2Fcomp%2F53071938.jpg%3Fx%3Dx%26dasite%3DViewImages%26ef%3D2 %26ev%3D1%26dareq%3D9B0238C52E2B0CC78320C18922B9E57477CCCC5AADD4292FF9853570FE2E DDFB&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.viewimages.com%2Fpartner-yahoo%2Fsource%2Fimages.aspx %3Fid%3D53071938&size=38.8kB&name=53071938.jpg&p=deborah+santana&type=jpeg&no=8& tt=61&ei=UTF-8&src=p http://cache.viewimages.com/comp/51251648.jpg?x=x&dasite=ViewImages&ef=2&ev=1&da req=9B0238C52E2B0CC7790520E7F78AA02938CA32B113DB36AEF9853570FE2EDDFB somethng to notice is that when you go on the computer and try to find pictures of him and her togather, way harder than it is to find pictures of celebrity black men with their non-black wives. not only is it hard to find pictures of him with his wife but the pictures you do find with them togather don't even specify that they're husband and wife. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1739 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
White people are smart and know that men can be very superficial....if they see that other men are attracted to a certain type of woman then they tend to go after her. This is shockingly true----several famous men have tried to fuck me just because Osama did. I've turned down dates with Bill Maher (who goes with Superhead) and with former Dallas Cowboy Michael Irvin. And I danced 5 times in one night with Karl Malone, who is a very nice guy--but whispered in my ear about "Osama don't know what to do with a body like that" during slow dance. It's really weird...but men DO want to fuck you when someone very powerful and famous has hit before. | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"The fact that I was with Osama Bin Laden and the media tried to deny it.....and then later, once Prince Ruspoli confirmed it...they stopped attacking me, but just ignored it----is proof of what you're saying. And let me tell you.... ....when they thought "Naima Bint Harith" (my real name) was an Arab woman who looked like Cher, they were clamoring and clawing to track me down. Once they discovered I was black with nappy hair----and Half Egyptian--- it wasn't an image they wanted to present. Derrick Bell, by the way, makes a very profound analogy about it in my autobiography..saying that Black American women are only to be presented as "Mammy figure...Sapphire figure...Tragic Mulatto...Oversexed Whore". Derrick Bell says that I represent an African Goddess image that they don't want to transmit." That's really nerve racking to read through because it rings so true.....but it just farther shows how much fear they have of black sexuality...they need to oppress black sexuality in order to keep white priviledge in check...especially black female sexuality. not to say theat they don't oppress black male sexuality but it's all done in a different way and black men still get to be thought of as attractive | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1740 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Mike Tyson sent me $7,000 to put my son in private school after this incident: http://breaking.tcm.ie/2003/01/07/story83361.html But it's been several years, and I've still never met Mike IN PERSON---he's never once insisted that we meet. I think he genuinely cared about my little boy, and want people to know that about him. He ISN'T the monster the media portrays him as. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1741 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
MISTY, Did you know that the Prince of Lichenstein married a Black American woman? He is the future King of that country. They got NO PRESS whatsoever. | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 44 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"MISTY, Did you know that the Prince of Lichenstein married a Black American woman? He is the future King of that country. They got NO PRESS whatsoever. " yes...and ironically they got more press than most marriages between celebrity non-blakc men and black women eventhough they hardly got any press at all...it's really saddinging | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Mike Tyson sent me $7,000 to put my son in private school after this incident: http://breaking.tcm.ie/2003/01/07/story83361.html But it's been several years, and I've still never met Mike IN PERSON---he's never once insisted that we meet. I think he genuinely cared about my little boy, and want people to know that about him. He ISN'T the monster the media portrays him as." wow, it jsut shows the games the media tries to run although i'm stil not sure about that incedent where his other wife (not robin givens) accused him of beating her......but i do know how the media is when it comes to blacks. that being said, everoyne is multidimentional...no one is completely good or completyely bad. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1742 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
I'm not saying MIKE hasn't done bad things...like beat up his ex wife and raped that girl. What I'm saying is.... he's a big ass KID. He's not evil or a monster. He's just never been raised and he's ignorant and he has "HANDLERS" who don't give a damn about him. I'm not letting him off the hook. But there is a multi-dimension to him. BACK ON TOPIC....this is very true what you're saying, because they really don't EVER like to focus on black women being chosen by a man or having a romance/being involved with a man. She can be the biggest star (or in my case--the most famous man on earth) and there will be NO MENTION of it. Of course, they LOOOOOOVE showing Bobby and Whitney's self-destructive ugliness. They can't show it enough. They love financing movies like "What's Love Got to Do With It?"....that focus on black men beating and abusing black women. They don't make "SAVE THE LAST DANCE" for our black teens. And then BET further programs us against black women and blackness. Young black males watch that DAY IN and DAY OUT. The goal is to stop them from producing black babies. Notice how they allowed 40 million MEXICANS to come over the border in the last 22 years----overtaking the Black American as the #1 minority group. And along with it.....they ENCOURAGE the black male to breed himself out of existence. The black woman is demonized and made invisible. Especially the most powerful black woman, GENETICALLY----the Afro black woman. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 155 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Ms. Misty - Thanks for the update, but Santana has been married to his woman since the beginning of time. Around 35 years. Just because you weren't aware of something doesn't mean that it's not a known fact, or that there is some massive conspiracy by unknown participants to keep this information from the public. Santana's fans know all about it, it's really not a secret. But bear in mind that oftentimes wives of celebrities wish to maintain their cherished privacy, or they are busy doing their own thing, running their own businesses, engaged in their professions, taking care of their families, households or whatever - and they are not really seeking the limelight or fame of being a celebrity's spouse. Some women marry a man because they love his person, not his celebrity. Marrying a celebrity is not all it's made out to be, it's not that easy and it's probably not as glamorous as one might think. And there's no secret conspiracy to make anyone believe that men of other races aren't attracted to Black women. I don't know where you live, but around here - girl, I can't hardly go grocery shopping without a whiteboy or Latino trying to get some play. I got it going on like that and I'm sure that you do too. Black women are a coveted prize to any man. For many reasons. So stop putting yourself down. | ||
| Shemika Newbie Poster Username: Shemika Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: |
Misty, for some reason your links to Santana's wife aren't working. I believe your conspiracy theory is correct. As far as non black men pursuing black women, that doesn’t mean anything to me. Traditionally quite a few have always sought black women for sex behind the scenes, but not often for marriage. So I really don't consider the fact they pretend to be interested long enough to get sex very meaningful. Even the one’s I’ve seen married to black women up close weren’t anything to brag about. Don't forget the Strom Thurman (maybe misspelled) types, he was a Klansman and fathered a child by a black woman. | ||
| Purple Newbie Poster Username: Purple Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Black women are a coveted prize to any man. For many reasons." This is not necessarily true. Yes, there are many in the world that have this view but not all. I don't see black women as a "prize". I know several others who don't have this view as well. I respect black women and certainly find them beautiful but that in no way means I consider who I'm with a trophy. I've had better, more meaningful relationships with black women than white women and I have treated them like Queens because of my love in our relationship. I'd treat any woman like a Queen if I loved her, no matter what the race. It just so happens that in my experience I've received better love and care from black women. On topic, maybe Santana's wife doesn't wish to be in the spotlight. It's possible that her elusiveness was her own choice and Santana obeyed her wishes. But as Mzuri stated, they have been married for 25 or so years and the key word is "married". I don't think he'd be married to her this long if he didn't love her and I really don't believe she'd be hidden from the public's eye intentionally masking the fact he's married to her because she's black. Afterall, Sanatana, aside from his fantastic musical talents, seems to be a quiet guy anyway. For me, I'm happy that they are happy. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1746 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Purple and Mzuri, I think you're totally missing the point that MISTY is making. It's about the PRESS...the MEDIA... ...and what IMAGES they want to project, and which ones they don't. It's not about Santana's wife wanting privacy anymore than Kobe's wants privacy. With Black male celebrities---photos of them and their wives are bombarded upon us. But when a high profile White or Latin man has a Black partner---the media doesn't HARP on photographing them or making us aware of it. A very minor black male celebrity (John Salley) can be "necking" in a booth with a white star (Teri Hatcher) and it suddenly makes world news...in thousands of newspapers!!!!! But when PETER FINCH won the Oscar for "Best Actor" and a chocolate black wife rose out of the audience to accept it for him.......it came as quite a shock. The bigger shock...was that she was never photographed or shown again after that night--clutching her dead husband's Oscar. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT IMAGE. If that had been Sidney Poitier's white wife---we'd have seen and KNOWN about her already. MISTY is right. And I know from my personal experience--how I was treated BEFORE the press knew I was black ...as opposed to how they reacted once they saw that the Half-Egyptian ARAB mistress was "Black" with African hair. It was a palpable difference----and several WHITE MALE JOURNALISTS who wanted to write about me have said the exact same thing. Notice that I'm in magazines and on t.v. broadcasts in EUROPE and AFRICA, but have only done a few national t.v. appearances in the United States. American Media doesn't like to show WHITE MEN choosing "black" wombs----in any capacity. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: N/A |
"The fact that I was with Osama Bin Laden and the media tried to deny it.....and then later, once Prince Ruspoli confirmed it...they stopped attacking me, but just ignored it----is proof of what you're saying. And let me tell you.... ....when they thought "Naima Bint Harith" (my real name) was an Arab woman who looked like Cher, they were clamoring and clawing to track me down. Once they discovered I was black with nappy hair----and Half Egyptian--- it wasn't an image they wanted to present. Derrick Bell, by the way, makes a very profound analogy about it in my autobiography..saying that Black American women are only to be presented as "Mammy figure...Sapphire figure...Tragic Mulatto...Oversexed Whore". Derrick Bell says that I represent an African Goddess image that they don't want to transmit." And just what does this have to do about the thread in question? | ||
| Purple Newbie Poster Username: Purple Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
You're right, Kola, I missed the point she was trying to make. And you're also right about the projection by the media. It's difinately not the right message and it's all so rare to hear stories of white men choosing black women because the media doesn't want it to go public. Thanks for putting the post into focus for me. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1749 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Also, Purple....I have actually been told by REPORTERS that if my skin were olive and my hair straight---they could see me more as a Half-Egyptian Arab woman. It doesn't matter that I AM....American media has this "thing". They don't want to portray Egyptian people as looking like THIS:  And that is what the great writer-scholar Derrick Bell was saying in my autobiography about "IMAGE" and how White Society is very careful to CONDITION how we view "white" vs. "black" in this country. The Black man, if you notice, gets less and less black with each passing generation. The White man remains as White as the day he arrived here. That's not by accident. Keep in mind that if "White boys" suddenly started choosing black girls left and right---because the MEDIA made it "cool" to do so---then the White race would be in much bigger trouble than "throwaway" white women settling for black men. The reason is.....FEMALES, not males....induce "acculturation" in children. The FEMALE is the one who imparts heritage, cultural association and cultural identity. This is why Bi-racial children of BM/WM tend to identify MORE with a multi-cultural non-black identity/society and are told by their white mothers that they are "biracial". Black mothers of Biracial children, however, tend to raise their kids only around blacks and tell them that they're "black"--not biracial. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 156 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I got the point, but I don't rely upon the MEDIA as my sole source of information, and neither should anyone. It is up to the individual person to seek out information and remain enlightened on the subjects that are important to them. Not to wait upon the MEDIA to bring us knowledge or brainwash us about how we should think, feel, shop and vote. Obviously, the media is in the business of disseminating information that they deem most interesting to the masses. They are in the business of selling magazines, newspapers, tabloids, commercial advertising space, etc. It's not the media's obligation to make us sophisticated, nor should it be. Some news, current events and human interest stories are simply not that interesting, which is why they don't get wide coverage. Teri Hatcher's affairs get more coverage because the masses are fascinated by her, regardless of what she does or who she's boinking. The theory that the media is engaged in a vast "conspiracy" to hide information or keep the wool pulled over our collective eyes because someone wasn't aware of a situation that has existed for 35 years is not a valid claim. And it borders on paranoia. | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 812 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Most adults don't rely on the media, but too many younger people are "raised" by television these days, and too many kids who buy items or follow trends simply because some rapper or entertainer does. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1751 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
I disagree with you Mzuri. I believe that Misty and Derrick Bell are right when they say that MEDIA IMAGES are coordinated to sell and confirm the "standards" of the society. This is why MOST black people shown on the news---are committing a crime. If there's a house fire on Harlem Avenue-- ---they will pick the ugliest, toothless black woman out of the crowd and put her on national t.v. (drunk), ignoring a whole row of well dressed, sober intelligent black women. I've noticed that. When sexy beautiful girls are shown walking on the beach in a movie....there's never EVER a chocolate one. But if AIDS patients or bag ladies or MAIDS are shown---then they MUST have a few black ones. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1752 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Some news, current events and human interest stories are simply not that interesting, which is why they don't get wide coverage. The Prince of Lichenstein coming all the way to N.Y. to marry a Black American woman isn't that interesting? | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 813 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Hell, Atlanta is mostly black (as far as I can see) and that news thing happens here. I remember a month or 2 ago (sometime recent) there was an apartment fire in the Atlanta area somewhere. I just KNOW they could've found a guy other than the one they chose....a man with rollers in his hair, a scarf on it, bug eyed, and with terrible grammar, pronunciation, and enunciation. I remember telling my husband, "I know they could've found SOMEBODY in that crowd who speaks English." | ||
| Shemika Newbie Poster Username: Shemika Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: |
I agree with Misty and Kola that the media does focus on bm/bw couples because that's in (or conducive to white society) right now, just as Kola described. I don't think it's paranoid to recognize white elite in America are capable of using the media or any other avenue to socialize and condition the public towards racial preferences. It's what they've always done. To pretend otherwise would be to put your head in the sand, which is exactly they want blacks to do. | ||
| Purple Newbie Poster Username: Purple Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Absolutely, I'm feeling you on this. It's all spelled out and makes sense. I never viewed how cultural association and identity was conveyed to biracial children. But allow me to share this. After asking my soon-to-be fiance, who is black and has a biracial child, how she would teach to identify her childs culture, she told me as biracial. She also told me that for the longest time that the African American community used to standardize the fact that if one drop of black blood was within their child, whether with white, Hispanic or Asian blood, that they were to be labeled as black. But her child is raised around many different cultures and is refered to as biracial and doesn't side with one culture completely but acknowledges both. Maybe this is not spoken of the majority, but I'm just sharing the view that I'm currently living with. I can not speak on the BM/WM views but it does seem to me that what you say may be true for the majority there. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1753 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Also...I MUST SAY... That THIS  is more accurately what Cleopatra and Nefertiti looked like. Sorry to sound vain or arrogant, but it's the truth. And THAT is what American MEDIA doesn't want transmitted to Black American people. I agree with Derrick Bell and other black scholars who have told me this. The MEDIA fears that AAs will begin to put 2 and 2 together if they are exposed to images of BLACK EGYPTIAN people. Of course they would. There are Hieroglithics in EGYPT that look just like me. I saw them as a little girl. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 157 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
That's fine Ms. Kola. We don't have to agree. Everyone has their own opinion about the facts, and that was mine. Now - It's a fact that most major media outlets in the U.S. are owned and operated by white ppl, and so we're going to get the news that they disseminate upon us. Are they engaged in a conspiracy because of this? No. They are simply disseminating white ppl's news that are interesting to white ppl. When we Black ppl empower ourselves and start owning and operating some major media outlets, then we can disseminate news and information to the white ppl and to each other, and then maybe things will be different and we'll be exposed to news that we find interesting - like who all is in a mixed marriage, who's zoomin who, who has Mulatto children, who's on the down low, who got a nose job, whose great-great-great-great-grand-mother was impregnated by the slave master, who has the prettiest skin tone, who's better than who, who blew up the levees, and all the other factoids that we seem to be so fascinated with. The Prince of Lichtenstein's wedding took place around 10 years ago. I heard about it when it occurred, don't remember exactly how or where I heard about it because it's been so long ago. I didn't think it was anything earth-shattering at the time, and it's not earth-shattering now. It's old news. And for anyone who wasn't aware of it, there wasn't some vast conspiracy to keep it out of the news - otherwise there would not have been any photos of the bride and groom exiting their church. You must also consider that Lichtenstein is a very tiny country and it's not well known. Most ppl haven't heard of it. Therefore who their prince is married to or who their royal couple is, is of no interest to the masses. It's just that simple. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 159 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Correction. That should have read "Liechtenstein" and it's not even a country - it is a principality. | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"I'm not saying MIKE hasn't done bad things...like beat up his ex wife and raped that girl. What I'm saying is.... he's a big ass KID. He's not evil or a monster. He's just never been raised and he's ignorant and he has "HANDLERS" who don't give a damn about him. I'm not letting him off the hook." you're right....my parents have always said that too about him being a big kid. "Of course, they LOOOOOOVE showing Bobby and Whitney's self-destructive ugliness. They can't show it enough. They love financing movies like "What's Love Got to Do With It?"....that focus on black men beating and abusing black women. They don't make "SAVE THE LAST DANCE" for our black teens." right...this is so true...and also notice the main black female character in save the last dance had no man anywhwere in sight...all she could do was complain and gripe about the fact that black men were going after white women? They love to protray black women as angry, jealous and bitter (especially jealous of white women) and not being able to get a man of their own. and they played the other black female character(the ex girlfriend)to be a low class "bitch". America tries to claim that movies like save the last dance represent progress because it features the love relationship between a black man and a white woman who overcome barriers togather, however to me these movies simply reinforce old racist/sexist stereotypes. If they wouldn't have used the same old racist/sexist stereotypes to portray the black female characters, this movie probably would ahve had potential. "Notice how they allowed 40 million MEXICANS to come over the border in the last 22 years----overtaking the Black American as the #1 minority group." right...and they rarely allow the BLACK hispanics to come to this country. There are countless stories i could tell you of black hispanics being turned away when they try to come to america. the same can be said of african immigrants. The immigration laws are really strict when it comes to nigerians. "The black woman is demonized and made invisible. Especially the most powerful black woman, GENETICALLY----the Afro black woman." Right | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
“Ms. Misty - Thanks for the update, but Santana has been married to his woman since the beginning of time. Around 35 years.” I wonder if that’s where he got the idea for his song “black magic woman”…I love that song btw. “Just because you weren't aware of something doesn't mean that it's not a known fact, or that there is some massive conspiracy by unknown participants to keep this information from the public.” Yeah…but I bet we were all aware of the fact that Kobe, micheal Jackson, and warren moon, charles barkleys wives are all non-black women. “Santana's fans know all about it, it's really not a secret.” My dad has been a Santana fan since he first came out and he didn’t even know his wife was black until last night. I like a lot of Santana’s music too and din’t know…..A person has to bee really keeping up with Santana’s personal life in order to know…but I bet we don’t have to be big time fans of 50 cent or be keeping up with his personal life to know he had 1 night stands with white women. I bet we don’t have to be constantly keeping up with bill cosby’s personal life or micheal jordans to know they cheated on their wives with white women. As Kola said…if a black male celebrity screws a white woman in a telephone booth we all know about it because the media loves to HARP on these instances. “But bear in mind that oftentimes wives of celebrities wish to maintain their cherished privacy, or they are busy doing their own thing, running their own businesses, engaged in their professions, taking care of their families, households or whatever - and they are not really seeking the limelight or fame of being a celebrity's spouse. Some women marry a man because they love his person, not his celebrity. Marrying a celebrity is not all it's made out to be, it's not that easy and it's probably not as glamorous as one might think.” Mzuri, so you think it’s a coincidence that pictures of celebrity non-black males with their black wives or with black girlfriends are way harder to find than pictures of celebrity black men with their non-black partners? And do you think it’s a mere coincidence that most of the black wives of celebrity non-black men like to stay out of the spot light while most of the non black wives of celebrity black males are always in the spotlight?….LOL. “And there's no secret conspiracy to make anyone believe that men of other races aren't attracted to Black women.” But if that’s true, then how do you explain the difference in how Kola Boof’s was treated when the media found out that she (an African woman) was Osama Bin Ladens mistress. “I don't know where you live, but around here - girl, I can't hardly go grocery shopping without a whiteboy or Latino trying to get some play.” I’ve gotten hit on by a lot of non-black men before as well as I’m sure other black women have but that doesn’t negate the fact that men are still being brainwashed against black women. However....I’ve noticed that most of the time when non-black men hit on me they are in a private area where no one else can hear or see them. I've only had ONE asian guy be bold enough to publicly show interest in me where EVERYONE could see that he was interested. But, as I was saying earlier...men can be extremely shallow. Even some of the ones who find black women attractive in the beginning are weakminded and eventually surcome the standards that society claim are ideal because they feel it’s “the thing to do.” Hispanic men on the other hand are a different story…..From my experiences, a lot of them will hit on any woman no matter what she looks like even if she isn‘t attractive. Not to down them or anything but they can be pretty bold in their approach. | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 49 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
Notice that it was only when borris becker and his wife were getting a DIVORCE that their relationship got a lot of coverage. People didn't even know he was married to a black woman until then. I bet that if they were renewing their wedding vows there wouldn't have even been a write up in the newspapaer. | ||
| Misty Regular Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Purple and Mzuri, I think you're totally missing the point that MISTY is making. It's about the PRESS...the MEDIA... ...and what IMAGES they want to project, and which ones they don't. It's not about Santana's wife wanting privacy anymore than Kobe's wants privacy. With Black male celebrities---photos of them and their wives are bombarded upon us. But when a high profile White or Latin man has a Black partner---the media doesn't HARP on photographing them or making us aware of it. A very minor black male celebrity (John Salley) can be "necking" in a booth with a white star (Teri Hatcher) and it suddenly makes world news...in thousands of newspapers!!!!! But when PETER FINCH won the Oscar for "Best Actor" and a chocolate black wife rose out of the audience to accept it for him.......it came as quite a shock. The bigger shock...was that she was never photographed or shown again after that night--clutching her dead husband's Oscar. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT IMAGE. If that had been Sidney Poitier's white wife---we'd have seen and KNOWN about her already. MISTY is right. And I know from my personal experience--how I was treated BEFORE the press knew I was black ...as opposed to how they reacted once they saw that the Half-Egyptian ARAB mistress was "Black" with African hair. It was a palpable difference----and several WHITE MALE JOURNALISTS who wanted to write about me have said the exact same thing. Notice that I'm in magazines and on t.v. broadcasts in EUROPE and AFRICA, but have only done a few national t.v. appearances in the United States. American Media doesn't like to show WHITE MEN choosing "black" wombs----in any capacity." Kola...well said...thanks a lot for clearing up things for them for me. | ||
| Misty Veteran Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"The fact that I was with Osama Bin Laden and the media tried to deny it.....and then later, once Prince Ruspoli confirmed it...they stopped attacking me, but just ignored it----is proof of what you're saying. And let me tell you.... ....when they thought "Naima Bint Harith" (my real name) was an Arab woman who looked like Cher, they were clamoring and clawing to track me down. Once they discovered I was black with nappy hair----and Half Egyptian--- it wasn't an image they wanted to present. Derrick Bell, by the way, makes a very profound analogy about it in my autobiography..saying that Black American women are only to be presented as "Mammy figure...Sapphire figure...Tragic Mulatto...Oversexed Whore". Derrick Bell says that I represent an African Goddess image that they don't want to transmit." And just what does this have to do about the thread in question? Schakspir....It shows proof of what's been being said all along. | ||
| Misty Veteran Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Keep in mind that if "White boys" suddenly started choosing black girls left and right---because the MEDIA made it "cool" to do so---then the White race would be in much bigger trouble than "throwaway" white women settling for black men. The reason is.....FEMALES, not males....induce "acculturation" in children. The FEMALE is the one who imparts heritage, cultural association and cultural identity. This is why Bi-racial children of BM/WM tend to identify MORE with a multi-cultural non-black identity/society and are told by their white mothers that they are "biracial"." hmmm....this is interesting...i never really payed attention to this...This may be true because women do happen to be the first teachers. They are the ones who carry the child in the womb and are usually the ones home with the child.... in divorce situations...the woman is more likely to get the child. and also, even in school...most teachers are female. most social workers are female too. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 160 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Helloooow! Do you really expect anyone to read all of that? It's not gonna happen. If you would like ppl to read your posts, you must keep them concise and to the point. And please get some HTML going on. Please. | ||
| Misty Veteran Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
LOL...hey...i tried it's actually not as long as you think...it looks long at first glance because i quoted you a lot | ||
| Misty Veteran Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"As far as non black men pursuing black women, that doesn’t mean anything to me. Traditionally quite a few have always sought black women for sex behind the scenes, but not often for marriage. So I really don't consider the fact they pretend to be interested long enough to get sex very meaningful. Even the one’s I’ve seen married to black women up close weren’t anything to brag about. Don't forget the Strom Thurman (maybe misspelled) types, he was a Klansman and fathered a child by a black woman." Shemika, that may be true for a lot of cases...however ican say i just haven't had that experience....actually inthe 2 interracial relationships i've been in...both of the guys proposed. i 'm not saying that what you say is untrue at all but it hasn't been MY particlar experience. | ||
| Purple Newbie Poster Username: Purple Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Even the one’s I’ve seen married to black women up close weren’t anything to brag about." Let's not forget that because you weren't that attracted to them doesn't mean that the ladies married to them didn't think they weren't. | ||
| Misty Veteran Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"As far as non black men pursuing black women, that doesn’t mean anything to me. Traditionally quite a few have always sought black women for sex behind the scenes, but not often for marriage. So I really don't consider the fact they pretend to be interested long enough to get sex very meaningful. Even the one’s I’ve seen married to black women up close weren’t anything to brag about. Don't forget the Strom Thurman (maybe misspelled) types, he was a Klansman and fathered a child by a black woman." Shemika, that may be true for a lot of cases...however i can say i just haven't had that experience....actually inthe 2 interracial relationships i've been in...both of the guys proposed. i 'm not saying that what you typed is untrue at all and I do hear black women say what you're saying all the time but it just hasn't been MY particlar experience (and something i've noticed is that most black women who say this have never been in one themselves).Again, not saying the point is invalid. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 162 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Helloooow Again. I'm really not trying to be in your business but in case of duplicate posts, you can delete your own posts. Please. | ||
| Misty Veteran Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
i know...tried to do it but it told me only posts less than 10 minutes old can be deleted and ........i know you've had to ahve experienced that before being on this board. i don't feel like going through contacting the moderator about 1 post...msot people will simply realize it's an accident and a duplicate post and skip over it...i don't see the problem. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 1754 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Mzuri, just because we're friends doesn't mean we have to agree.  It's a discussion board, and we all disagree A LOT around here. That's why it's fun! MISTY, I really and truly feel you on this issue. There are several books, IN FACT, that probe and back up your opinion from a Sociological point of view. America is a White Supremacist nation...and its Standard-Bearer is its white mother/white womb. By showing Black men constantly choosing her---it says: (a) White men of the PAST were not devils, but were protecting the honor of White women during slavery, it eases the white man's conscious about his forefathers. (b) It proves that the White race is SUPERIOR. Because even when a black man chooses a black woman, the Whites are quick to point out--"She's very fairskinned". By not choosing a truly Africoid woman--say Roshumba or Lauryn Hill (who will produce Africoid looking people--say Morris Chestnut and Regina King as the offspring)....the Black Man PROVES to them time and again that he is INFERIOR ..his seed, his people, his race and origins ALL OF IT is inferior and he is forever desperate to "lighten" it. So they LOOOOVE to see this over and over again. The Black man AFFIRMING that White people are superior----publicly announcing on BET each and every video that the White Man's mother is the SAVIOR and only hope for the black race to extinguish itself. (c) It the relationship between the Black man and Black woman, because the black woman is effectively HUMILIATED in front of the whole world and is made aware that the Black man doesn't love, cherish or desire her-----but despises her for making him/their children "black". It also highlights how the Black Man will abandon BLACK CHILDREN---to pursue and attain a White woman and her "Biracial" offspring. What greater proof could they have of their SUPERIORITY? Of course, in order to pursue these other women--the Black man must make up stories to demean and demonize the black woman as an unsuitable mate. She is lied on and judged inferior---pretty much no matter what she does. The "lightskinned"/yellow woman who USED TO BE the "white woman" of the Black Community---and had no objection back then to colorism or hatred of black women---is now made to feel what the darker women have always been subjected to, because the White and Latina women highlight the Yellow woman's FLAW--she's negroid in several ways. White people LOOOOOOVE the PAIN that is inflicted on black women and love watching them squirm and suffer. ____________ That is what those images are for. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 2009 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
What an interesting thread, Misty.... Not long ago - I can't remember the subject - some t.v. show did an interview on NBA wives. There were about 6 wives altogether--and I was shocked to see that they were all sistah black--not biracial or high yellow or anthing like that. You know how they say that the NBA is completely colorstruck? Well, judging from most of the media coverage it gets, it surely seems that way. But this interview, though still one-sided and colorist, showed the NBA in a different light. As I said, the wives were not extremely lightskinned; they were mostly medium and light brown... BUT... there was one who was darkskinned with heavy African features--she could have been from Africa--and throughout the entire interview they questioned everybody but her; they focused the camera on everyone else's face but hers (and it's not like she was ugly, quite the contrary); they completely ignored her the whole time.. as if she wasn't even there. I remember thinking that, on the one hand, it is a relief to see that the NBA may not be as colorist as I thought; but on the other hand, I was disappointed with this particular (black) interviewer and everyone involved in the production because it was clearly colorist despite the fact that all the women were black and brown. It made me wonder just how long we ALL have to go. | ||
| Shemika Newbie Poster Username: Shemika Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Let's not forget that because you weren't that attracted to them doesn't mean that the ladies married to them didn't think they weren't." Purple, There's more to it than their looks. They were often negligent, started acting different, or called them names, etc. "that may be true for a lot of cases...however ican say i just haven't had that experience....actually inthe 2 interracial relationships i've been in...both of the guys proposed. i 'm not saying that what you say is untrue at all but it hasn't been MY particlar experience. " Misty, That's fine. I notice some of them really know how to be charming when they want some. But it's just a matter of time before their true hideousness is revealed in most cases. A lot of them remind me of that obnoxious Howard Stern when they are being themselves. | ||
| Stephgirl Regular Poster Username: Stephgirl Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
I finally saw Santana's wife on TV when they broadcast Santana's accomplishments to the black community at the NAACP awards. She is beautiful indeed. Yet mainstream media tends to push black couples(unless the wife is a fair-skinned multiracial) and black women/nonblack men couples because people in power see such pairing as a threat to the continuation of white privilege and power in America. A few years back, Americans were very outraged at the fact that Thomas Jefferson may have had a long-term relationship with Sally Hemings, a slave. They continue to deny it in the face of evidence as well as denying membership to the descendants of Sally Hemings so that they can play the illusion of family racial purity. Also, the incident involving the cameraman and Samuel Jackson and his lovely wife. When asked who's the most beautiful woman in the world, he replied that it is his wife. The camerman was flabbegasted and uncomfortable by his remarks, for he expected him to say any nonblack female celebrity as the most beautiful. These incidents are evidence of the deep-seated fear of black female sexuality by the powers that be. Stephanie | ||
| Doberman23 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 199 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
juelz sanata has a puerto rican mami ... so carlos santan was just setting the balance | ||
| Serenasailor "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 332 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Mzuri, just because we're friends doesn't mean we have to agree. It's a discussion board, and we all disagree A LOT around here. That's why it's fun! MISTY, I really and truly feel you on this issue. There are several books, IN FACT, that probe and back up your opinion from a Sociological point of view. America is a White Supremacist nation...and its Standard-Bearer is its white mother/white womb. By showing Black men constantly choosing her---it says: (a) White men of the PAST were not devils, but were protecting the honor of White women during slavery, it eases the white man's conscious about his forefathers. (b) It proves that the White race is SUPERIOR. Because even when a black man chooses a black woman, the Whites are quick to point out--"She's very fairskinned". By not choosing a truly Africoid woman--say Roshumba or Lauryn Hill (who will produce Africoid looking people--say Morris Chestnut and Regina King as the offspring)....the Black Man PROVES to them time and again that he is INFERIOR ..his seed, his people, his race and origins ALL OF IT is inferior and he is forever desperate to "lighten" it. So they LOOOOVE to see this over and over again. The Black man AFFIRMING that White people are superior----publicly announcing on BET each and every video that the White Man's mother is the SAVIOR and only hope for the black race to extinguish itself. (c) It the relationship between the Black man and Black woman, because the black woman is effectively HUMILIATED in front of the whole world and is made aware that the Black man doesn't love, cherish or desire her-----but despises her for making him/their children "black". It also highlights how the Black Man will abandon BLACK CHILDREN---to pursue and attain a White woman and her "Biracial" offspring. What greater proof could they have of their SUPERIORITY? Of course, in order to pursue these other women--the Black man must make up stories to demean and demonize the black woman as an unsuitable mate. She is lied on and judged inferior---pretty much no matter what she does. The "lightskinned"/yellow woman who USED TO BE the "white woman" of the Black Community---and had no objection back then to colorism or hatred of black women---is now made to feel what the darker women have always been subjected to, because the White and Latina women highlight the Yellow woman's FLAW--she's negroid in several ways. White people LOOOOOOVE the PAIN that is inflicted on black women and love watching them squirm and suffer. ____________ That is what those images are for. Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 2009 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 03:37 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What an interesting thread, Misty.... Not long ago - I can't remember the subject - some t.v. show did an interview on NBA wives. There were about 6 wives altogether--and I was shocked to see that they were all sistah black--not biracial or high yellow or anthing like that. You know how they say that the NBA is completely colorstruck? Well, judging from most of the media coverage it gets, it surely seems that way. But this interview, though still one-sided and colorist, showed the NBA in a different light. As I said, the wives were not extremely lightskinned; they were mostly medium and light brown... BUT... there was one who was darkskinned with heavy African features--she could have been from Africa--and throughout the entire interview they questioned everybody but her; they focused the camera on everyone else's face but hers (and it's not like she was ugly, quite the contrary); they completely ignored her the whole time.. as if she wasn't even there. I remember thinking that, on the one hand, it is a relief to see that the NBA may not be as colorist as I thought; but on the other hand, I was disappointed with this particular (black) interviewer and everyone involved in the production because it was clearly colorist despite the fact that all the women were black and brown. It made me wonder just how long we ALL have to go. Kola You are an amazing woman. | ||
| Stephgirl Regular Poster Username: Stephgirl Post Number: 36 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Here are a couple of black womens' views on BM/WW vs BW/WM relationships: Here's an interesting post by Sagascend atBlackfeminism.com regarding the antimiscegenation laws: “So instead of asking why do people still care and why don’t black men like black women, you should ask the few brave people that have answered the questions candidly why they feel that way and see if you can find examples that give credence to their perceptions. Maybe if more sisters would stop becoming so defensive and actually give advice to some of the other sisters that are perpetuating stereotypes then the black family will come back as a staple of the community.” I am all for starting a dialogue on the state of war between Black men and Black women (yep, I did say war - it’s that serious), but what I do not agree with is the notion that Black women are responsible for “fixing” things. That is a huge part of the problem people, leaving Black women holding the cultural bag, so to speak, and letting Black men off the hook for various reasons. There is a generation of predatory, misogynistic Black men who are making so many lives hell on earth. Are the decent Black men of the world responsible for that behavior and tasked with fixing it? I don’t hear that in your message, AC, and wonder why. If the responsible individuals among us are tasked with “fixing” those who are not, Black men and women have their work cut out for them! In addition, anti-miscegenation laws were not created to keep Black men away from White women. For most of European history, the status of the father determined the status of the child. So, the child of a Black slave and a White father should have, according to tradition, been free, while the child of a Black slave father and White mother would have still been a slave. Which relationship truly upsets the balance of a slaveholding society? That’s why laws were created to pass the status of the mother onto the child. Furthermore, many people we consider Black today were legally White until the infamous “one-drop rule” became law. Again, the relationships between White men and Black women were the reason this law was created. There were not enough Black male/White female relationships of substance. When these relationships occurred, they were usually between low-status individuals. What truly threatened the status-quo were the Black mothers of sons who, technically speaking, could become White and inherit their fathers property. Low status mother + high-status father = threat to establishment - just look at all the laws surrounding the legitimacy/inheritance laws for children. Ha, look at the uproar about Prince Albert and his Black mistress, who has a male child by him. If Princess Stephanie sleeps with and has children with a Black man, the threat is much less. It is the legitimation of this relationship that racist societies fought against. What you have with the “threat” of Black male/White female relationships is more visceral and ego-based. And think about this: The more powerful and accomplished a Black man is, the more White women are put in his path. Just ask any professional athlete. The hypermasculunity of Black men is “neuturalized” when they choose White women, and that supports the status quo. Look at the Rex Chapman story. In our twisted, racist society it “makes sense” that Black men want White women, but it doesn’t “make sense” that White men would want a legitimate relationship with Black women. Even Black men who don’t date White women will tell you about the pressures they face for going against the grain. The day white isn’t right is the day that is truly scary for those who support white privilege. Truly scary indeed. And Blackgirl's: hi stephanie, what you said got me to thinking. I agree with most of it but i think the quote below is kind of backwards because from what i read, the children of slave women were to be slaves, but the children of slave men could be free, that is if the mother was non-black.. "In addition, anti-miscegenation laws were not created to keep Black men away from White women. For most of European history, the status of the father determined the status of the child. So, the child of a Black slave and a White father should have, according to tradition, been free, while the child of a Black slave father and White mother would have still been a slave. Which relationship truly upsets the balance of a slaveholding society?" But you are right in that anti-miscegnation laws were created mainly to stop white men and black women from mixing since there was more of that happening during the time. Although black men were lynched for looking at white women. But, since the bm/ww pairing was more "under control" being that black men and white women were already afraid of being killed for having sex with eahcother during that time, the major fear during that time was of white men being "irresponsible" with their power and priviledges and producing children with black women. Since white men had more power than white women, white men were the main ones who needed to be controlled when it came to race mixing in order to keep them from abusing their power and to keep white supremacy going. Since people with power tend to be harder to control (in that they're more likely to step out of line and get away with more and their actions can also do more damage to the status quo), you can see why it would be a need to create special laws to control those in power because they're the real threat. There were also some cases where slave women were able to manipulate the minds of their masters because of the sexual relationship some of them had with one another. There was even a movie based on a true story that dealt wiht this. Although in that case, the woman was raped, she was still able to later manipulate the master due to his love of the child he had produced from raping her. I know it's sick and warped but it was a true story. He ended up actually feelings sorry aobut the fact that he raped her and actually loved the child that he produced with her. He also later began to care for and have respect for the woman who he had raped years ago. She was able to manipulate him into doing things to help the slaves on the plantation as well as set some of them free. He ended up raising the child to beleive she was white also. When he died, he ended up willing everything all of his money and his house to his biracial daughter and he gave the slave who he had raped control over the entire plantation. I don't know how often this type of thing happened, but there are various accounts of similar situations like this. My point is that if slave women were able to influence white men in this way, then it caused a huge threat to slavery and ultimately to white priviledge. this is why race mixing needed to be stopped. when whites saw that the number of "mulatto" children was getitng "out of hand", this is when they feared for their white priviledge and began to fele the need to create miscegnation laws. you're right that in the eyes of WHITES it was always more acceptable for a black man to want a white woman than for a white man to want a black woman. But, it was also more acceptable in the eyes of WHITES for a black woman to want a white man than for a white woman to want a black man. now, in the eys of blacks, i think it was quite a different story. What are your thoughts on these views? What say you? Stephanie | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 843 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Steph, that's an interesting POV. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4455 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
What are reviews of a book titled "WHITE WOMEN, BLACK MEN ILLICIT SEX IN THE NINETEENTH-CENTURY SOUTH" by Martha Hodes. Hodes apparently make a fairly interest argument that prior to Emancipation, sexual liaisons between Black men and White women were much more tolerated by Whites than most of us have been led to believe. Amazon.com White Women, Black Men is a fascinating study of a category of interracial relationships that conventional wisdom has held did not exist: liaisons (the term author Martha Hodes prefers) between black men and white women in the antebellum South. Hodes shows how such relationships were tolerated, though not encouraged, to a surprising degree before the Civil War. In a fascinating feat of historical detective work, she uses court documents and other records in cases involving racial status, rape, divorce, and property, to explore the nature of these relationships. She shows white women who voluntarily gave up their privileged status to cohabit with black men, and white communities that turned a blind eye toward such unions. It was not until after the Civil War--when freedom for blacks meant Southern whites needed new ways to enforce their putative superiority--that black men were routinely punished with violence for real, or imagined, relationships with white women. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition. From Library Journal Hodes (history, New York Univ.) provides the first real scholarly exploration of this important topic. Relying primarily on legal documents and testimony generated by court cases, Hodes gives us several detailed case studies. She finds that before the Civil War, whites generally did not react violently to cases of interracial liaison but rather displayed a complex range of attitudes, from indifference to concern (especially if children resulted from the "connection"). In the postbellum period, however, whites often responded with extreme violence to any hint of miscegenation. Indeed, in an effort to diminish black political power, whites often invented incidents of interracial contact and reacted accordingly. A brilliant work, imaginatively researched and well written. Highly recommended.?Anthony O. Edmonds, Ball State Univ., Muncie, Ind. Copyright 1997 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition. | ||
| Serenasailor "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 333 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Anybody will tell you that in white culture it is way more acceptable for a white woman to date/marry black men than it is for white men to date marry black women. The reason is because white men are the ones who are looked to pass down his seed, his power and his priviledge. Wheraeas white women are only prized for there womb. | ||
| Aglae Newbie Poster Username: Aglae Post Number: 23 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
"It's really weird...but men DO want to fuck you when someone very powerful and famous has hit before." I've experienced this too. When I was new to the area no black men were interested in me. I went out casually with a white guy to see a film. My stock instantly went up. Both black and white guys came out of the woodwork asking me out. As for the Liechtenstein prince, Maximillian, he is second in line. His older brother Alois is the hereditary prince. It is amazing tho. You think Spanish language magazines would be all over it because she is of Panamanian extraction. | ||
| Misty "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 120 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
yeah but she's a black hispanic and that's noth the kind of publicity they want...hispanics want to appear as white as possible | ||
| Savant Newbie Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
actually, deborah santana is "biracial". for me, that makes her no less a "beautiful sista" than any other sista, white parent notwithstanding. but from what i've been reading around these threads, some folks take issue with that stance... |
