The Coffee Will Make You Black
Reading Group's On-line Chat Transcript for Our June Selection

Manchild in the Promised Land

by Claude Brown

Format: Paperback, 415pp.
Publisher: Simon & Schuster 
Pub. Date: May  1999

July 5th 2000 9:00 PM EST

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Thumper6488> Hello
>> Judy has joined channel #XC.1141852
Thumper6488> Hello Judy
[Judy]Hello Thumper, Judy is here!
Thumper6488> How are you doing this evening?
[Judy] I am glad that your e mail reminded me about the book discussion
- group this eve. I am doing fine. The weather is nice here in Ohio.
Thumper6488> It's hot here!
[Judy] Where are you at?
Thumper6488> I live in Indianapolis.
[Judy] Just read a fascinating book about Madame cj walker and her years in
- Indianapolis.
Thumper6488> Was it called The Black Rose?
[Judy] Si! Es u n libro muy bueno. Donde esta los otros?
[Judy] Yes it was a good book. Where is everybody else?
Thumper6488> They'll be along. Troy will not be here tonight.

>> tabonnefee has joined channel #XC.1141852
[tabonnefee] good evening Thumper and Judy
Thumper6488> Hello tabonnefee, how are you doing this evening?
[tabonnefee] doing well thanks ... how are you Thumper?
Thumper6488> I'm doing well. I'm on vacation!
[Judy] Good eve TBF.
[tabonnefee] that makes two of us Thumper ...lol
[tabonnefee] how are you this evening Judy?
[Judy] I am on permanent vacation (in my mind) Smile!!
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[tabonnefee] Thumper...I'm gonna rub it in though ...I'm on vacation ALL
- summer ...lol
[tabonnefee] lol...heard that Judy
Thumper6488> LOL Are we ready to start the discussion?
Thumper6488> I loved the book!!
[tabonnefee] anytime you are
[Judy] Okay with me.

[tabonnefee] guess what Thumper ... I didn't
[Judy] I loved it too. I have read it twice since 1965.
[tabonnefee] really Judy?
[Judy] OH yes. It was great. REally gave me a sense of what Harlem used to
- be.
[tabonnefee] I thought perhaps this was a "guy" book...i guess I was wrong
Thumper6488> what didn't you like about it?
[Judy] Absolutely not. Mr. Brown's story is a story for girls and boys, men
- and women.
[tabonnefee] I guess it's a teacher thing ...all the bad behaviors were
- workin my nerves
[Judy] What I liked about it is the way I really got a sense of the spirit
- of harlem pre and post drugs. Also I liked Mr. Brown's revelations on
gamgs
- and drugs.
Thumper6488> But he did see the error of his ways didn't he?
[Judy] WHat is Mr. Brown up to these days? I assume he is a solid citizen.
[tabonnefee] it was a hard read for me ... like listening to the old folk
- tell their stories ...while I love to listen to them I need a break every
- now and again
Thumper6488> Do you think it was his parents fault that Brown's youth was
- spent going in and out of reform school.
[Judy] It is interesting that Brown came from a two parent family and yet
- seemed powerless against the lure of the streets.
[tabonnefee] I think it was more of a peer thing
Thumper6488> Or was it the enviroment?
[tabonnefee] we often remark how nowadays community isn't like it was ...
[Judy] I see some parallels with Manchild and the sections of Malcolm X
- autobi that talk about his young years. I also see some simaliritis with
- Nathan McCall's Makes Me WAnna Holler.
[tabonnefee] but we fail to realize that community wasn't always a good
- thing
[tabonnefee] environment definitely ... peer interaction and expectations
[Judy] But pre WWII and migration north Harlem was a safe, fun place. A
- striving black family could raise a decent family there.
[tabonnefee] never read Makes Me Wanna Holler
Thumper6488> Judy: Then what was Brown's excuse?
[tabonnefee] the historical aspect of the book was quite interesting
[Judy] I have problems with Makes Me Wanna HOller,, but regarding Claude's
- problems, as was mentioned a few lines earlier I think it was peer
pressure.
[tabonnefee] Thumper ... didn't you run with your boys and get into all
- sorts of trouble when you were a young 'un?
[Judy] I especially remember a female freind of claude's describing how her
- boyfriend succummbed to drugs and how she too succummbed cuz she was just
so
- curious as to the power drugs held over him and had to experience it for
- herself. I think her name was sugar.
Thumper6488> Yes, I did but not on Brown's level. I never saw the inside of
- a reform school
[Judy] I teach at a reform school and It is not much worse than the public
- schools.
Thumper6488> Judy: right
[tabonnefee] Thumper ..times have really changed ... I see a lot of the same
- behaviors in my school as were depicted in the book and the kids would
never
- get sent to reform school ... they would just be my problem to deal with
[tabonnefee] if we wouldn't tolerate these type behaviors there would be
- less problems in the public schools and less aggressive juvenile crime
[Judy] The kids are equally bad in both reform and regular school. Bur in
- RS they can get some specialized attention in anger management and raising
- their performance to grade level.
[Judy] I agree regarding the increasing level of tolerance, but I th ink
- that you and I are the only ones who feel this way. Most paents just thow
- up their hands and say I can
[Judy] 't do nothing with that boy/girl.
[tabonnefee] but we continue to baby the offenders making it seem like we
- condone their behaviors ... so we won't have the turn around like Brown's
- ... we just see an increase in aggressive behavior
Thumper6488> anger management? does that really work?
[Judy] I agreee TBF. And I fear for the next generation. They will not be
- able to take theri pleaces in society.


tabonnefee] environment definitely ... peer interaction and expectations
[Judy] But pre WWII and migration north Harlem was a safe, fun place. A
- striving black family could raise a decent family there.
[tabonnefee] never read Makes Me Wanna Holler
Thumper6488> Judy: Then what was Brown's excuse?
[tabonnefee] the historical aspect of the book was quite interesting
[Judy] I have problems with Makes Me Wanna HOller,, but regarding Claude's
- problems, as was mentioned a few lines earlier I think it was peer
pressure.
[tabonnefee] Thumper ... didn't you run with your boys and get into all
- sorts of trouble when you were a young 'un?
[Judy] I especially remember a female freind of claude's describing how her
- boyfriend succummbed to drugs and how she too succummbed cuz she was just
so
- curious as to the power drugs held over him and had to experience it for
- herself. I think her name was sugar.
Thumper6488> Yes, I did but not on Brown's level. I never saw the inside of
- a reform school
[Judy] I teach at a reform school and It is not much worse than the public
- schools.
Thumper6488> Judy: right
[tabonnefee] Thumper ..times have really changed ... I see a lot of the same
- behaviors in my school as were depicted in the book and the kids would
never
- get sent to reform school ... they would just be my problem to deal with
[tabonnefee] if we wouldn't tolerate these type behaviors there would be
- less problems in the public schools and less aggressive juvenile crime
[Judy] The kids are equally bad in both reform and regular school. Bur in
- RS they can get some specialized attention in anger management and raising
- their performance to grade level.
[Judy] I agree regarding the increasing level of tolerance, but I th ink
- that you and I are the only ones who feel this way. Most paents just thow
- up their hands and say I can
[Judy] 't do nothing with that boy/girl.
[tabonnefee] but we continue to baby the offenders making it seem like we
- condone their behaviors ... so we won't have the turn around like Brown's
- ... we just see an increase in aggressive behavior
Thumper6488> anger management? does that really work?
[Judy] I agreee TBF. And I fear for the next generation. They will not be
- able to take theri pleaces in society.
[tabonnefee] Thumper ... not when they're placed back in a school where
- anger rules
[tabonnefee] anger management is effective only when it's reinforced
[Judy] REgarding anger management, it can make a dent, but really most
- troubled youth need to be placed long term in a calm environment.
[tabonnefee] I agree Judy
Thumper6488> Any views on how we are always reading biographies
Thumper6488> such as this one about the black male
[tabonnefee] and school SHOULD BE a calm environment ...emphasis on the word
- should
[Judy] In a way Brown's Harlem presaged the spread of drugs into good and
- stabel communities all across the united states.
[tabonnefee] Thumper ...i'm not sure what you're asking
[Judy] I love bios. I don't have a problem. And I can tell which ones are
- phony and which ones are sincere.
Thumper6488> Well if you let me get it out! LOL
[tabonnefee] lol ....sorry
[Judy] Sidney Poitier;s new bio was a small disappointment
[tabonnefee] <~~zipping up....lol
Thumper6488> Any views on how we are always reading biographies such as this
- one about the black male always going off to jail or something and then
- being rehabiliatated (sp)


tabonnefee] (one too many a's ...lol)
[Judy] What other rehab bios have the group discussed?
[tabonnefee] ummmm ... I think those type bios are essential ...as they are
- very honest and representative of real life
Thumper6488> tabonnnefee: You're really concerned writer aren't you?
Thumper6488> Well, there was Make Me Wanna Holler
[tabonnefee] meaning what Thumper?
Thumper6488> There was a person named Concerned Writer that was correcting
- my posts. Just funning.
[tabonnefee] ooooohhhh .... that went straight over my head
Thumper6488> OK, ok
[Judy] Your cyber head.
Thumper6488> The point I'm trying to make is this
[tabonnefee] honey ...if I took the time to edit everyone's mistakes I
- wouldn't have time for anything else ...lol
[Judy] But getting back to Manchild.... This is a story once again of broken
- promises. The US has never been preapred to address the unique needs of
- black citizens.
Thumper6488> Is it because the US has never really cared?
[tabonnefee] it's hard for them to address what they don't recognize
Thumper6488> what they go out of their way NOT to recognize
[Judy] Think of all of the people you know who are creative and brilliant
- but are socially and econically disenfranchsed cus of the invisible do not
- enter signs that life in america posts at every turn.
Thumper6488> But don't we blame those that can't make it anyway


[tabonnefee] <~~zipping up....lol
Thumper6488> Any views on how we are always reading biographies such as this
- one about the black male always going off to jail or something and then
- being rehabiliatated (sp)
[tabonnefee] (one too many a's ...lol)
[Judy] What other rehab bios have the group discussed?
[tabonnefee] ummmm ... I think those type bios are essential ...as they are
- very honest and representative of real life
Thumper6488> tabonnnefee: You're really concerned writer aren't you?
Thumper6488> Well, there was Make Me Wanna Holler
[tabonnefee] meaning what Thumper?
Thumper6488> There was a person named Concerned Writer that was correcting
- my posts. Just funning.
[tabonnefee] ooooohhhh .... that went straight over my head
Thumper6488> OK, ok
[Judy] Your cyber head.
Thumper6488> The point I'm trying to make is this
[tabonnefee] honey ...if I took the time to edit everyone's mistakes I
- wouldn't have time for anything else ...lol
[Judy] But getting back to Manchild.... This is a story once again of broken
- promises. The US has never been preapred to address the unique needs of
- black citizens.
Thumper6488> Is it because the US has never really cared?
[tabonnefee] it's hard for them to address what they don't recognize
Thumper6488> what they go out of their way NOT to recognize
[Judy] Think of all of the people you know who are creative and brilliant
- but are socially and econically disenfranchsed cus of the invisible do not
- enter signs that life in america posts at every turn.
Thumper6488> But don't we blame those that can't make it anyway
[Judy] An interesting social sciences project would be to collect the case
- histories of people like Claude and others who escaped from dire
- environments and isolate the factors that contributed to their success.
[tabonnefee] and in the same breath cuss those that have made it and call
- them sell outs
[Judy] You guys are right about the double standard
[tabonnefee] and look for commonalities from which others might prosper?
Thumper6488> But isn't that the point Brown was trying to make at the end of
- the book?
Thumper6488> Why did he make it when his brother couldn't or didn't
[Judy] Yes, this is a good question.
[tabonnefee] stronger will


[Judy] New age thinkers beleive that each soul has a unique destiny, but I
- like to believe that everyone can achieve success and satisfaction in each
- life they live.
[tabonnefee] Brown could see past or through the beatings whether they were
- physical or mental
[tabonnefee] Judy ... everyone can as success is relative ... we don't all
- strive for the same thing
Thumper6488> Did he? Or did he just become tired of the same ol' stuff?
[tabonnefee] or we don't all consider success to be the same thing?
[tabonnefee] oops... no "?" intended ...lol
Thumper6488> tabonnefee: I agree with
Thumper6488> your last post
[Judy] I too beleive success is relatiave but being a junkie is not success.
Thumper6488> Remember that old saying that you know you've done a good job
- raising your kids if you don't visit the graveyard or the prison to see
'em?
[tabonnefee] but their are potential successes within a junkie's life
[tabonnefee] whew ...I'm trying to make that one come true in my life!
[tabonnefee] their = there ...lol
[Judy] You have to work very hard to see the success in a junkie. It is
- possible but hard.
Thumper6488> But if the will is not there, what's the use.
Thumper6488> What are they escaping?
Thumper6488> Is it just that life is hard or life as a AA is harder?

[tabonnefee] we never know what GOd has brought someone through ... so who
- knows what successes a junkie may have gone through ... it may not be
- measurable on our terms
[Judy] Ture.
[tabonnefee] I believe it is harder Thumper
[Judy] True
[Judy] I do too.
[Judy] EVerything in america is orieted toward the white and the male.
[tabonnefee] when you live in a society where you are not a member of the
- dominant culture yet you are expected to understand the workings of that
- culture and your own ...it's hard
Thumper6488> Aren't we a little to blame for this ourselves?
[tabonnefee] AA grow up knowing multiple perspectives ... white folks do not
[tabonnefee] how so Thumper?...because we haven't assimilated?
[tabonnefee] because we refuse to believe or live the American dream as it
- is handed to us?
[Judy] I do beleive that there is more that AAs can do to uplift the race,
- ensure better conditions. But there is so much politics, confustion and
- despair.
Thumper6488> No, because we haven't seen the falsehood of the whole picture.
Thumper6488> What happen to black is beautiful?
[Judy] Good question
[tabonnefee] what do we do when as a people we face tht reality ...where do
- we go from there?
[tabonnefee] that's a good question Thumper
[Judy] WE face reality all the time. That '
[Judy] ws why people do drugs, to escape reality.
[tabonnefee] I have had many encounters within the last two weeks that
- remind me of the ugliness within our people
Thumper6488> Shouldn't the history books that are being taught to our
- children, shouldn't they have changed already?
[Judy] We are not angels.
[Judy] At least not all fo us cept for me.
[Judy] Smile
Thumper6488> And we're not saints
[Judy] Cept for you
[tabonnefee] Thumper... are you familiar with textbook procedures?
[tabonnefee] I know I ain't no saint or angel ....lol
Thumper6488> No, but tabonnefee, it's been over twenty years and the books
- haven't changed that much from when I was in school
[tabonnefee] it takes FOREVER to get reprints ... and there is so much
- weeded out of most historical events that it matters little what is
written
[Judy] As a teacher I know that AA history is taught assidiously to the
- young uns. They for the most part have no interest in frederick douglass,
- MLK , sojourner or harriet. Just not relavant. THey wanna know more
about
- Puffy and Jennifer, and who ever else, though.


[tabonnefee] that's true Judy ... we have to find a hook for our young ones
[tabonnefee] I'm always in trouble for the things I teach because they
- aren't part of the curriculum
[Judy] I regret that we have come to the point were all education has to be
- immediately relavant and fun.
Thumper6488> but if their parents or older adults aren't getting it, then
- what's the use?
[tabonnefee] I teach what the district wants me to teach so that I can get
- to what I think is relevant and what the kids need to know
[tabonnefee] we have to do what we can do
Thumper6488> The parents?
[Judy] You have ID's another main problem with the AA commmunity-- we have
- at least two generations who are undereducated andhave a disrespect for
- education.
[tabonnefee] I tell my students constant;y that reading is their way to
- freedom ... if they can read then they dont' have to rely on anyone to
- "give" them information
[Judy] Many partents of urban youth never graduated from HS or got a jGED
- and thus can not reinforce learning and education in the home.
[tabonnefee] many of them want to be educational advocates becasue they want
- better for their kids but they are embarrassed at their lack of knowledge
so
- they shy away
[Judy] I too see reading as a great tool, but many urban youth never got the
- reading basics in the primary grades. It is painful and sad to see 12 and
- 14 year old boys strugtgle to read a thrid grade book.
Thumper6488> But in Brown's case both of his parents wanted him to go to
- school.
[Judy] Yes, they are embarrassed. I wish the naacp or another national org
- could think up ways to address parental underecuation.


[tabonnefee] but for what reason did they want him to go? ...I saw it more
- as a babysitting thing or as a "it's the right thing to do to keep up
- appearances" thing
[Judy] But on the other hand. immagrants come here with no education (i.e
- Asians, Europeans) and the next generagtion of kids somehow manages to
- become scholars.
[tabonnefee] they weren't actively involved in the educational procee
Thumper6488> True, but their parents are motivaters.
[tabonnefee] Judy ...but were they illiterate in their native language?
- ...probably not
[Judy] What is wrong withthe black community? Other immigrant groups can
- lift themselves into affluence, via ecfucation, why can't we?
[tabonnefee] because of years of having your throat stepped on
Thumper6488> But some of us are lifted into affluence, the thing is many
- once they get their don't want to help the next fellow
[tabonnefee] we were not immigrants ... we don't get the same set of rules
- to play by
Thumper6488> But isn't it about time to tap into our own power
Thumper6488> to change it
Thumper6488> like registering to vote
[tabonnefee] of course it is Thumper


physical or mental
[tabonnefee] Judy ... everyone can as success is relative ... we don't all
- strive for the same thing
Thumper6488> Did he? Or did he just become tired of the same ol' stuff?
[tabonnefee] or we don't all consider success to be the same thing?
[tabonnefee] oops... no "?" intended ...lol
Thumper6488> tabonnefee: I agree with
Thumper6488> your last post
[Judy] I too beleive success is relatiave but being a junkie is not success.
Thumper6488> Remember that old saying that you know you've done a good job
- raising your kids if you don't visit the graveyard or the prison to see
'em?
[tabonnefee] but their are potential successes within a junkie's life
[tabonnefee] whew ...I'm trying to make that one come true in my life!
[tabonnefee] their = there ...lol
[Judy] You have to work very hard to see the success in a junkie. It is
- possible but hard.
Thumper6488> But if the will is not there, what's the use.
Thumper6488> What are they escaping?
Thumper6488> Is it just that life is hard or life as a AA is harder?
[tabonnefee] we never know what GOd has brought someone through ... so who
- knows what successes a junkie may have gone through ... it may not be
- measurable on our terms
[Judy] Ture.
[tabonnefee] I believe it is harder Thumper
[Judy] True
[Judy] I do too.
[Judy] EVerything in america is orieted toward the white and the male.
[tabonnefee] when you live in a society where you are not a member of the
- dominant culture yet you are expected to understand the workings of that
- culture and your own ...it's hard
Thumper6488> Aren't we a little to blame for this ourselves?
[tabonnefee] AA grow up knowing multiple perspectives ... white folks do not
[tabonnefee] how so Thumper?...because we haven't assimilated?
[tabonnefee] because we refuse to believe or live the American dream as it
- is handed to us?
[Judy] I do beleive that there is more that AAs can do to uplift the race,
- ensure better conditions. But there is so much politics, confustion and
- despair.
Thumper6488> No, because we haven't seen the falsehood of the whole picture.
Thumper6488> What happen to black is beautiful?
[Judy] Good question
[tabonnefee] what do we do when as a people we face tht reality ...where do
- we go from there?
[tabonnefee] that's a good question Thumper
[Judy] WE face reality all the time. That '
[Judy] ws why people do drugs, to escape reality.
[tabonnefee] I have had many encounters within the last two weeks that
- remind me of the ugliness within our people
Thumper6488> Shouldn't the history books that are being taught to our
- children, shouldn't they have changed already?
[Judy] We are not angels.
[Judy] At least not all fo us cept for me.
[Judy] Smile
Thumper6488> And we're not saints
[Judy] Cept for you
[tabonnefee] Thumper... are you familiar with textbook procedures?
[tabonnefee] I know I ain't no saint or angel ....lol
Thumper6488> No, but tabonnefee, it's been over twenty years and the books
- haven't changed that much from when I was in school
[tabonnefee] it takes FOREVER to get reprints ... and there is so much
- weeded out of most historical events that it matters little what is
written
[Judy] As a teacher I know that AA history is taught assidiously to the
- young uns. They for the most part have no interest in frederick douglass,
- MLK , sojourner or harriet. Just not relavant. THey wanna know more
about
- Puffy and Jennifer, and who ever else, though.
[tabonnefee] that's true Judy ... we have to find a hook for our young ones
[tabonnefee] I'm always in trouble for the things I teach because they
- aren't part of the curriculum
[Judy] I regret that we have come to the point were all education has to be
- immediately relavant and fun.
Thumper6488> but if their parents or older adults aren't getting it, then
- what's the use?
[tabonnefee] I teach what the district wants me to teach so that I can get
- to what I think is relevant and what the kids need to know
[tabonnefee] we have to do what we can do
Thumper6488> The parents?
[Judy] You have ID's another main problem with the AA commmunity-- we have
- at least two generations who are undereducated andhave a disrespect for
- education.
[tabonnefee] I tell my students constant;y that reading is their way to
- freedom ... if they can read then they dont' have to rely on anyone to
- "give" them information
[Judy] Many partents of urban youth never graduated from HS or got a jGED
- and thus can not reinforce learning and education in the home.
[tabonnefee] many of them want to be educational advocates becasue they want
- better for their kids but they are embarrassed at their lack of knowledge
so
- they shy away
[Judy] I too see reading as a great tool, but many urban youth never got the
- reading basics in the primary grades. It is painful and sad to see 12 and
- 14 year old boys strugtgle to read a thrid grade book.
Thumper6488> But in Brown's case both of his parents wanted him to go to
- school.
[Judy] Yes, they are embarrassed. I wish the naacp or another national org
- could think up ways to address parental underecuation.
[tabonnefee] but for what reason did they want him to go? ...I saw it more
- as a babysitting thing or as a "it's the right thing to do to keep up
- appearances" thing
[Judy] But on the other hand. immagrants come here with no education (i.e
- Asians, Europeans) and the next generagtion of kids somehow manages to
- become scholars.
[tabonnefee] they weren't actively involved in the educational procee
Thumper6488> True, but their parents are motivaters.
[tabonnefee] Judy ...but were they illiterate in their native language?
- ...probably not
[Judy] What is wrong withthe black community? Other immigrant groups can
- lift themselves into affluence, via ecfucation, why can't we?
[tabonnefee] because of years of having your throat stepped on
Thumper6488> But some of us are lifted into affluence, the thing is many
- once they get their don't want to help the next fellow
[tabonnefee] we were not immigrants ... we don't get the same set of rules
- to play by
Thumper6488> But isn't it about time to tap into our own power
Thumper6488> to change it
Thumper6488> like registering to vote
[tabonnefee] of course it is Thumper
[tabonnefee] I took my daughter today ...she turned 18 yesterday
>> Judy has left channel #XC.1141852
Thumper6488> CONGRATULATIONS!!!
[tabonnefee] and I told her she had to find at least 5 friends that are 18
- and get them registered
Thumper6488> Good for you
[tabonnefee] Thumper ...I'm gettin old ....lol
Thumper6488> And she gets to vote in her first presidential election!!!
Thumper6488> I am too!
[tabonnefee] yes she does !!!
[tabonnefee] lol ... I'm in good company then
Thumper6488> yeah....with CAREY!! LOL
[tabonnefee] speaking of old ... where is Carey?
[tabonnefee] LMAO
[tabonnefee] you know you wrong!!!
Thumper6488> No, I'm not. He's really old.
[tabonnefee] lol...ok ok


[tabonnefee] how old are you? ...I can ask cause you ain't a woman ...lol
Thumper6488> And I can also refuse to answer. *smile*
[tabonnefee] awwwww.....
[tabonnefee] sure you can
Thumper6488> So what else didn't you like about the book?
[tabonnefee] it just seemed to keep going on and on with the same stuff
[tabonnefee] I've been reading so much non-fiction and technical stuff that
- I wasn't ready for anymore heavy reading
Thumper6488> What did you think of Brown's relationship with the white girl?
[tabonnefee] tell me what you thought first
Thumper6488> Actually, I was kinda sad about it.
[tabonnefee] why?
Thumper6488> First, I was hoping that he and Sugar would get together.
Thumper6488> Second, that he couldn't see the beauty of the women around him
Thumper6488> and that he saw it in a white woman but didn't in a black one
[tabonnefee] that's a sad commentary on male/female relationships in the AA
- community
Thumper6488> Yes, it is.
[tabonnefee] did you take it personally?
Thumper6488> Yes, I do believe I did.


[tabonnefee] I thinkit was just one more way to escape
>> judy has joined channel #XC.1141852
Thumper6488> Hello Judy
[tabonnefee] welcome back Judy
[judy] For some reason my computer conked out. Oh Well
Thumper6488> And you know what elst
[tabonnefee] modern technology
Thumper6488> I was amazed that he was actually surprised that her parents
- reacted the way they did.
[judy] aint worth ##@$%
[tabonnefee] what?
[tabonnefee] that's what happens when you don't live in your reality
[tabonnefee] I get that reaction ALL the time from folk ...lol
Thumper6488> I'm not going to go there
Thumper6488> LOL
[tabonnefee] lol
Thumper6488> Well ladies, the hour is up
[judy] Guys I gotta go, by intention this time. Thanx for an enjoyable
- discussion. Take care
Thumper6488> and I thank you for your company
>> judy has left channel #XC.1141852
[tabonnefee] Thumper ... thank you for another stimulating conversation
Thumper6488> The next book is Uncle Tom's children
Thumper6488> Sure.
Thumper6488> see you next month
[tabonnefee] enjoy your evening ... night